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Category 75, Topic 15 Message 420 Fri Aug 09, 1991 L.SEILER at 02:49 EDT J Allen27, Matter of fact it was and they did. We are so happy that we listened and took the VDI only advice...BIG GRIN ! being resolution and platform independent feels so good! BTW Nevin is right there were no "Public" anouncements and in fact most of what was said and done really fell under what would ordinarily be considered nondisclosure but for the fact that the dealers were expected to spread the "Good News" as they say. Lee ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 421 Fri Aug 09, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 03:17 EDT Lee, Remember that we can't necessarily trust information posted here to remain confidential. The new portfolios are supposed to be hush-hush, but then I suppose Atari realizes that news is bound to leak out...it usually does. It would be nice if it didn't come from the IAAD though. Fat chance. :-( John ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 422 Fri Aug 09, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 04:05 EDT Jim: The HP looked so much like a Portfolio with a bigger(better) display I honestly thought Atari had OEMed the computer to HP. It was too expensive though. What do you expect! HP = High Price Lee: Thanks for giving the detailed description of new Portfolio. I wonder why they didn't replace the display. It was the worse part of the computer. It sounds interesting however. Next time, if I don't get invited, I'll bug Bill Rehbock till he invites me. :^) Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 423 Fri Aug 09, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 04:17 EDT I suppose ya had to be there to get one of these things... ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 424 Fri Aug 09, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 12:28 EDT The dealers will blab about the new PF, no doubt about it. If the new PF doesn't have something past DOS 2.1, it's as useless as the old one. The old PF is no more useful than the "Wizard". etc. The HP unit is a real PC in the hand, but much cheaper than the Poquet. The PF needed a bigger screen too, in this day and age of great LCDs, it's silly to have such a tiny display. Ahhh....IT, is accessible only through the VDI, 'bout time. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 425 Sat Aug 10, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:04 EDT Jim, Don't discount the Portfolio as being as useless as a Wizard. Granted, it does not have a multi-lingual ROM card but its built-in applications are quite useful. The spreadsheet is really nice if you do quick quotes and estimates. Imagine instant quote for salespeople. It will close a lot more sales having those numbers at your fingertip. I use my Portfolio to jot down notes, make appointments, keep phone numbers and addresses. It even keeps the record of which of my customer has the newest version of firmware on his DEKA. I have learned to actually TYPE on the Portfolio keyboard. For me, life without my Portfolio would be a mess. The only complain I have is that it doesn't have a larger display. P.S. I do have nice things to say about Atari, afterall. Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 426 Sat Aug 10, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 13:37 EDT After seeing the NCR "Pad" computer, I think Atari is busy wasting tons of limited funds on a pointless project. Even if they get it done, they'll get killed in the marketplace. And in reality, the "Pad" type of solution is probably the most profitable "niche-to-be" of the decade, but Atari just doesn't know how to turn an opportunity into anything but a failure. I just can't see counting on the PF to store important business info ;-) Not with all the DOAs they've had. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 427 Sun Aug 11, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:27 EDT That's why I keep a copy of everything on the RAM card. :^) The Portfolio does have a high failure rate. Probably higher than the Commodore 64s when J.T. was in charge. Atari would have to spend a fortune rewriting TOS to make it work as well as other pen-based OS like Go. But I think the winner in pen-based OS will probably be Micro-soft's version. Paul Wu ------------ REPly ? ************ Topic 16 Sat May 12, 1990 DOUG.W (Forwarded) Sub: Dealing with Atari As the topic header reads..........dealing with Atari. 666 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 651 Tue Jul 30, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:39 EDT Hmmm? Nathan, is IAAD pronounced "yid"? <cha, cha ,cha> ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 652 Tue Jul 30, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:17 EDT IYAD ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 653 Wed Jul 31, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 00:07 EDT I would tell you folks about something really neat I just found out.... BUT I can't because it was told me in confidence, and although I can share it with fellow developers, I can't share it with the press. Y So you'll all have to wait till it's introduced later in the year. Of course I'll tell those I know I can trust. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 654 Wed Jul 31, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 03:36 EDT Well, there yah go. I just (naively) assumed that Palestinians (the sort Nathan's referring to) wouldn't get caught dead working as a labourer in Israel. I was wrong (happens all the time.) So shoot me. :-) ..Todd (I yeah, eh Dee?) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 655 Wed Jul 31, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 12:22 EDT :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 656 Wed Aug 07, 1991 NEVIN-S at 13:52 EDT AEGIS SUMMARY: LONG MESSAGE! Hello Folks. I thought I would write out my personal impressions of the Aegis symposium for those of you who were not there. This is a rambling sort of first person account, just so you can get one person's point of view. I am sure others will join in. In short, in my opinion the event was a complete and total success. Every single dealer I talked to and every single developer and every single Atari employee thought it went well. Even John Eidsvoog whispered to me near the end of the second day, "I guess I can't say this was a total failure." <grin> Here's a recap of my personal experiences. Because of the leaks in this Cat I will leave out certain items. Upon arriving at the hotel on Sunday afternoon, some of the dealers and developers got a volleyball game together. The team led by Nathan Potechin and Deron Kazmaier (yes, same team) beat the team led by James Grunke and Brian of....maybe Mid Cities or TNC or some other dealership (very nice guy). I was on the losing team :-( but hey, it was a great way to start things off. Everyone had a lot of fun in the 3 game match. It set the tone for the whole time which was cooperative, fun, bonding, and all that other psychobable stuff. The first day was mostly for dealers. Various Atari employees got up and said various things...I don't remember exactly what. The comments were pretty brief and not stuff like "You will sell jillions." By the way, the seminar was held in a good-sized hotel ballroom, with a TT and color monitor on every table (maybe 30-35 tables?). At the front was the usual podium and microphone that you'd expect. There was also a TT at the front connected to a projector device which did a good job of letting everyone see what was being demoed. Anyway, back to the first day. In the morning Atari folks went on about various things, nothing super memorable. Then they went over the TT (how to use NewDesk, RAM card configurations, etc) and I went back to Atari with Bob Brodie and Nathan to do some free xeroxing. Lunch was a white bread sandwich box special by the pool. This was the only bad food of the entire event--the food was actually quite good! In the afternoon there was more blabbing which I don't remember. You might be thinking, "Wow, if he doesn't remember what anyone was saying, it must not have been that good." Not true. A lot of it was dealer stuff, like "What happens if I buy a mono monitor from another dealer and then it's broken before I sell it, and I don't have the original PO from Atari, how do I get credit?" As you can see, this is not thrilling stuff for me. BUT, it was informative for the dealers, and there was a good exchange going on. Most of the first day the developers hung out in the back and whispered to each other about various topics. OK, now the good stuff starts. At about 6pm the free-for-all dog-and-pony show started. Each developer took a table and loaded up his/her software. Dinner was prepared individually for each person in the back of the room (and it was great) and the dealers would come to your table and talk to you. I showed T/ST to many MIDI dealers, and also to dealers who carry the program but didn't really know much about it. It was great to show it slowly and calmly to the dealers without having users all over the place. Hey, users are great but it was nice to be able to be CALM. Not to worry that some lunatic might steal a copy of my software (and then realizing if he did, it was fine since everything in the box was a dealer demo!). MIDI dealers talked to DTP developers, etc. The only bad thing was the line for dinner was SO long (I waited 45 minutes). This free for all lasted till about 9 pm. It is hard to describe why it was so nice. Basically, it was relaxed. You talked to folks without the pressure of a selling show. You got to know the dealers in a way you just couldn't at COMDEX. People were joking around. I got constructive comments too (2 dealers said I needed to put T/ST in a nice box, for example). Since I had a Suite (they were out of regular rooms so I got a suite) I had a small party at about 10pm that night. I went with Mike Groh and bought some Sam Adams and Heineken beer, pretzles, etc. Developers and dealers came by and everyone had a nice time chatting, drinking, making Pee Wee Herman Jokes ("Did you hear that Atari finally had a great ad campaign all ready to go for the home market? TV Commercials filmed and ready to run? Turns out their spokesman was Pee Wee Herman! Another $500,000 down the drain! AARGGHHHH!!!") Bill Rehbock brought Leonard Tramiel to the party. Right before Leonard came in there were about 5 conversations going on. Bill and Leonard arrived and the room went silent. It was actually quite funny, and Leonard commented on it. Eventually the conversation resumed. Bill and Leonard stayed for at least 1/2 hour and chatted about various things. The party ended at about 1pm (when I kicked Rick Flashman out <grin>). Oh yes, during lunch on the first day Garry Tramiel came to each table for a full 5 minutes (not just "Hello, thanks for coming, goodbye"). That was also nice. OK, end of day 1. Day 2 was the seminar day. The MIDI dealers went to a college nearby, and the computer dealers stayed at the hotel. Most developers had between 1/2 hour and 1 1/2 hours to show their stuff. I was at the hotel in the morning observing things. As one example of why the show was a success, Deron Kazmaier did a PageStream demo. Greg Pratt was in the front row. Well Greg had never seen PGS and he was there really paying attention, and afterwards chatted with Deron. This kind of thing does NOT happen at Comdex where a guy like Greg is being pulled in all directions at once. Of course the idea of Aegis was not just to show Greg Pratt your software, but hey, it can't hurt to have the Pres familiar with your product. Dealers asked questions about each product and there was good give and take. I saw PGS, Lexicore, CodeHead and a couple of other presentations. Some presentations went smoother than others, but they were all good and everyone was paying attention. In the afternoon I went with John Eidsvoog to the MIDI place where we did our demos. This was both by choice (our choice--I wanted to penetrate the music stores with T/ST and John has some MIDI software) and partly by designation by Atari (Art Morgan said, "Nevin, you'll be showing your stuff at the MIDI seminar"). I enjoyed seeing the MIDI stuff and had fun doing my demo. And I _definitely_ made inroads into this market. I should insert here that at the beginning of the first day the dealers got a notebook full of info. Included in that notebook was a 300DPI xerox of the IAAD brochure. That was very nice to see. After the seminars on the second day the machines were put away and I had a 10 minute one-on-one with Greg. Actually, Bob Brodie joined in to help me and maybe protect Greg <grin>. It was a good conversation about a variety of topics. The guy definitely has a lot upstairs and I enjoyed going back and forth on a few subjects. I think anyone who wanted to meet with Greg got a chance to really talk to him, and I saw Nathan talking to Sam and Greg at the hotel for quite a while, so I think even Sam was available. Again, these folks (Atari Execs) did not have the pressure of selling _their_ stuff to the real world as at Comdex, so the atmosphere was entirely different. The dinner on the second night was a cookout, right next to the volleyball court. I tracked down the Ray from Thinkware and pretty much nailed down a deal to have him carry T/ST through his company (the main supplier of software to music stores in the US). Everyone was milling around, feeling good. Jack Tramiel came by and the earth shook. Just kidding. Jack came by and Rick Flashman was the first to say hello. About 1/2 hour later I found myself standing next to Garry and Jack, so I said to Garry, "Hey Garry, how about introducing us." So he looked at my name tag <grin> and introduced us. We talked mostly about New York (he has an apartment in a great neighborhood, naturally). Ray from Thinkware was introduced and Jack said to us, "Hang in there, because in 3 months....no, early next year you will be very pleased to be involved with Atari." I decided to say _something_ so I said, "Well that would be great, becuase you've got to know that it has been _very_ difficult this past year." (I said this in an earnest, friendly way). Jack looked at me and smiled and and ran his hand over his bald head and said, "You think it's been difficult for YOU!" Pretty funny, actually. James Grunke, the new MIDI guy, was great. Bob Brodie was his usual great self. Bill Rehbock was great and showed me all the neat stuff which I will not mention here. I met Denise who uses my program to do about 90% of Atari's followup mailings. And Mike Fulton plays a mean volleyball (he landed on one guys toe, bursting it open with a good amount of blood, but no hard feelings). Will Atari sell more machines? Who knows. Will they advertise? I would never bet on it. The main thing was that the people who were there really got to know each other, to learn about their stores, their products, etc. It was all very professional and everyone gave each other their full attention and respect. There is talk of doing this on a bi-annual basis, at a different location (thus to attract different dealers). All I can say is "I'm there." --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 657 Wed Aug 07, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 17:35 EDT Nevin, thanks for taking the time to fill us in! It sounds like you are GLAD you decided to go! I remember when yuo{ou were wavering on it. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 658 Wed Aug 07, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 20:22 EDT Nevin: Thanks for the great report on Aegis. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 659 Thu Aug 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 00:58 EDT Thanks Nevin, now Im sorry not to have gone!! ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 660 Thu Aug 08, 1991 ICDINC at 09:35 EDT Thanks for the "you are there" Nevin. I didn't know Garry still worked for Atari. What does he do there? - TOM - ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 661 Thu Aug 08, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:18 EDT Garry handles the Distributors this week. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 662 Thu Aug 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 12:08 EDT Ahhh, he's the designated Hoser, eh? ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 663 Fri Aug 09, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 02:07 EDT Yes, a few of us were predicting that Aegis would be underwhelming, but as Nevin mentioned, I didn't thinking it was underwhelming after all. I don't think I'd describe it as overwhelming, but it was definitely at least whelming. <grin> Nevin, I think you should star in Saturday Night Live's "Mr. No-depth Perception". There weren't 30-35 tables, there were ten <grin> (two rows of five). But that seemed to be just enough. Combined with the TT up front, those 11 TTs probably equalled half the total TTs in North America. :^) The entire Aegis Symposium was a decided surprise for something sponsored by Atari. Some things, like the food, were not only acceptable, but were actually (very close to) first class. There was a real feeling of "I don't think we're in Kansas any more". John ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 664 Fri Aug 09, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 12:29 EDT Since you were in CA, that's probably a good thing ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 665 Fri Aug 09, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 23:34 EDT I thought the program was very worth while and quite well organized. Praise is due Art Morgan and Bill Rehbock who organized the whole thing. The dealers were very positive about the opportunity to meet directly with developers without having to wade through lines of users as at user group shows. It might be worth reducing Atari support of User Group shows to just the essential 3 or 4 and instead increasing the number of AEGIS symposia. This allows developers to offer late breaking news, training and demo tips to dealers who in turn can support users directly. Win-win situation. As I said in an earlier post, I encourage all IAAD members to support and/or attend these programs. Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 666 Sat Aug 10, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 00:33 EDT That'd be good Lauren, far too many little shows, people are getting show'd out. ------------ REPly ? ************ Topic 17 Wed Aug 01, 1990 ISD [Nathan] (Forwarded) Sub: Dealing with the Media Lets discuss the various North American ST publications. 742 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 650 Mon Jul 29, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 17:54 EDT Just had a telephone call from Ralph Mariano. He definitely had read my post #645 top 17. Thank you all very much for sharing that post with him. I'll know better in the future. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 651 Mon Jul 29, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 21:23 EDT Nathan, you have the short list....axe'm. Let god sort'em out. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 652 Tue Jul 30, 1991 C.STANFORD at 00:07 EDT The way I personally deal with this sort of unsavory type of character is when I get a phone call of this type I use the record feature of my answering machine, and announce to the person that the conversation is now being recorded (the machine also beeps every few seconds) and if they wish to carry on with the conversation they are assured that a transcript will be sent to their boss. Shuts'em up every time. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 653 Tue Jul 30, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 01:12 EDT OK, so I understand that Ralph is expecting us. Far be it from me to disappoint him. By the way, the latest Z*Net reveals a slew of pirate boards, and his is on the list. Guess I'll ask him about that. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 654 Tue Jul 30, 1991 D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 02:03 EDT Bill Yerger is slime. I am pretty familiar with his business. He is a local "character" in these parts. He has (or had) a store in Berkeley called Microworld, and yes, he is also Zephyr and ST Plus. I used to love watching him on three different phones at the same time pretending to be three different companies. Actually he also ran a tie-dye T-shirt store out of the same place! This guy takes the cake, really unbelievable. He's the guy that tried to start the letter writing campaign to get himself hired at Atari as some kind of marketing guru, if anyone remembers that. He also has been reported to be the largest buyer of new Atari ST cases. What does he do with them? I have been told that he would fill them with "trade-in" and "used" parts and then sell them as new STs. I have also had customers report that they purchased software from him and received, for instance a Micro C-Shell disk (retail $49.95) containing MT C-Shell and a poor quality Xeroxed MT C-Shell manual (retail $129.95). There are too many similar stories like this about this guy to list them all here. - David ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 655 Tue Jul 30, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 02:19 EDT Watch what is said about Bill Yeager...eh...Yerger...I think Ralph liked the guy, and the leak might feed anti-Jerkoff posts as well as anti Ralf posts to Ralf. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 656 Tue Jul 30, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 03:49 EDT Quotable Quote: A man is known by the company he keeps. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 657 Tue Jul 30, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 04:29 EDT Nathan, the butt kicking tables are turned. Axe 'em. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 658 Tue Jul 30, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:22 EDT Carl, if I told Ralph that the call was being recorded, he'd hang up. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 659 Tue Jul 30, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 11:39 EDT I have a recorder that doesn't beep, in Mass, only one party needs to know it's being recorded....good thing Ralph can't get at my tapes ;-) Just kidding ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 660 Tue Jul 30, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 14:57 EDT Actually I do have a phone like that and the laws aren't the same up here as there. I have always used it when I felt I needed to. One never knows when they need it. <sigh> ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 661 Tue Jul 30, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 20:13 EDT Exactly! If there was that short a time between posting your message Nathan and getting the call from Ralph, you've got to have a pretty good idea of just hwo the sneak is! Nail him/her NOW! John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 662 Tue Jul 30, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 21:08 EDT Ralph, you have absolutely no input in anything I say or do. You will just have to accept that or suffer. Again, calling Tom will do you no good. But go ahead and call him again if it will make you feel better. It will not make any difference to me. Understand? ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 663 Tue Jul 30, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 21:56 EDT Oh..one of THOSE calls............... ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 664 Tue Jul 30, 1991 DAVESMALL at 22:00 EDT I believe a person who accepts stolen goods is called a "fence", right? What Ralph is doing is taking our posts and "selling" them, so to speak, in his ST-Report. The scum that is breaking our confidentiality here is committing theft; Ralph is the fence. It does not surprise me that Ralph is taking the coward's way out and skipping town before facing the consequences of his actions. Namely, he won't show Saturday. I would like *very much* to go public with Ralph accepting stolen material from IAAD and threatening to publish it for his own gain (face it, it's an ABCO ad). If the powers that be say so, I will. -- sincerely, Dave Small / Gadgets ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 665 Tue Jul 30, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 22:04 EDT Dave, we have gone public. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 666 Wed Jul 31, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 00:03 EDT That's THREE times Ralph has been informed of a post in near record time, the number of folks inside in those periods, especially the ones COMMON to all three incidents, must be low. Time to pull the axe out and start cutting. Yes, you might not get "them all?", but right now we aren't getting anyone. I feel violated. And there is just no reasoning with Ralph on this point, he is just too damn nosey to face the fact that it IS excepting stolen goods, not being a "reporter". Why is it none of this happens with the other "publications"? Znet never messes in our shit, nor STI, nor CN, nor even AIM. Perhaps pointing THIS revelation out in public would get the point across. Have Nagy take a stand in our favor, and explain that he feels it's immoral to accept stolen materials, even if it's just lowly IAAD business skuttlebutt. Nathan, fire when ready Gridlock! ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 667 Wed Jul 31, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 00:40 EDT Jim, I _did_ point that out in public when Lloyd was trying to say it was good journalism (even a "duty") in Cat 18, I think it's Topic 3, Message 100, and then to make sure the non-snoops saw it, I GEMailed them and told them to check it out. Good idea, though. ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 668 Wed Jul 31, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 04:34 EDT I have come to this conclusion that I would like to share with you folks. Why are you so sensitive about what Ralph says in his ST- Report. Because of the way his publication is distributed, many (if not MOST) of his readers are pirates who will not purchase your product anyways (you being mostly software developers). Honestly speaking, what is the percentage of your customers that do read ST- Report, anyway? Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 669 Wed Jul 31, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 12:52 EDT Good point Paul but unfortunately inaccurate. Many user groups, and thereby, many users, certainly thousands, read his mag. I have just been informed that Ralph has officially asked that his conference be cancelled or postponed. While he did tell me that this was a possibility, I am surprsied that he has chosen to do so. I guess worries about his credibility were never high on his list of priorities. Also in that telephone call that I cannot prove I had yesterday :-) it is possible that it was mentioned that all the gory details of why he was cancelling the CO would be included in St Report which might have been referring to his concern that the IAAD would not be nice to him. I might have asked him if he was threatening me at that point in the conversation but as I do not have the capability to record the conversation to begin with, maybe this call didn't even take place. However, I do know, that if publishes ONE single line from CAT 75 in ST Report, it will be the end of St Report and Ralph Mariano on GEnie, at a minimum. Dave, the Small, :-) as Dorothy mentioned, there has already been some flack on this in public. Part of the problem is the manner in which that "clique" :- ) twists the reality to imply negative and sleazy connotations to us which we DO NOT deserve. I agree 100% with your analogy. :-) But Ralph is not the issue here as he has never used the info that he has received...in public. I want you all to be quite clear on that. He can only do so ONCE!! The real piece of shit is the person(s) passing this info to him. Whoever you are, I cannot understand your motivation. It must be fairly clear to you now that if we ever find out who you are, you will have managed to totally alienate a taher large group of your peers. I suspect you do not give a shit as it is obvious that you have no moral fibre, ethics is just a word and your mother .... *cha,33\taher\rather\ This is a private issue. It is none of Ralph business. It IS an internal matter. And here I am letting this upset me again. I am PROUD of the IAAD. I am proud of what we've done, of the communication between developers, of the assistance some have given to others, of the comraderie, of the opportunity to say Congrats on Addisons birthday etc.. and I will not let some bag of dirt take that pleasure away from me. You will get caught and you will get ostracized but not to worry, Ralph will be happy to join you for a drink in commiseration at any time. I must have work to do. (sigh) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 670 Wed Jul 31, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 15:06 EDT Yep, the two of them, sitting alone, at one end of the bar...while we are having a great time at the other, talking about what sleezebags they are ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 671 Wed Jul 31, 1991 C.STANFORD at 22:31 EDT I suppose if I were a yellow journalist and discovered that a group might actually ask pointed questions I'd probably run and hide too... ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 672 Thu Aug 01, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 01:39 EDT I feel sort of sorry that Ralph canceled....it would have been the conference of the year, without a doubt! Jim, Mr. John Nagy is a little too busy to do anything at the moment. He is cramming for the California bar examination! ------------ | Category 75, Topic 17 Message 673 Thu Aug 01, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 01:42 EDT You know, it would seem to me that Ralph, smart as he is, wouldn't need to see messages in a private cat to figure out he'd get some tough questions at the CO. A man who spends so much time developing enemies ought to expect to have some. This week, AtariUser has called his mag " 'A Current Affair' Meets the ST " and author Andy Eddy spends a great deal of space discussion "editing" and "editorial commentary". Meanwhile, his BBS is on the partial list of pirate BBSs made public in last week's Z*Net. People are still confused over the Open Letter thing and his response. Even if NONE of us showed up, there would be plenty of tough questions. What's ponderous is why he would want to hold a conference in the first place. Any insights? ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 674 Thu Aug 01, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:16 EDT Ralph has a high opinion of himself. He certainly has followers in every state. He probably thought he'd play potentate for the evening but then discovered that when you've just spent years alienating credible respected Atari Developers, you'd better be a little more careful about holding a PUBLIC conference. Sure, I criticized ST Report and got hammered for weeks by Lloyd et al but I'll bet you Ralph was not pleased that he was put in that position. Same thing goes for Dorothy. Chances are, every parent whose kid uses KidPrgs will tend to believe Dorothy etc... Dave Small's been actively suggesting Ralph retire, :-) or move on and the list goes on and on. If we make this completely black and white, Ralph has gone to great lengths to portray himself as the spokesperson on behalf of the little people (whether they wanted him to be or not :-)) against Atari ( for the good of Atari, in his mind ) but his position lacks any credibility if it also becomes plain that he is against many Developers as well and they are publicly saying so. Ralph and I have had this discussion 20 times. I do not agree with his methods. In my opinion, he hurts the market and that, to me, is the bottom line. Can anyone here point out to me the positive or constructive side of ST Report, besides selling hard drives for ABCO and straight press releases? Maybe I'm missing something..but I doubt it. Maybe our leaker(s) wil leap to Ralphs defence. Nah, that would take balls. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 675 Thu Aug 01, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 13:05 EDT Well, I hope "Mr. John Nagy" passes, so he'll be too busy to piss me off;-) I still can't believe he cancelled, guess it was a rude awakening facing reality. Like Tutor the Turtle.."Wake up little turtle, wake up...." ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 676 Thu Aug 01, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 13:42 EDT Ooooh....an examination where cramming and a bar are concerned. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good time. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 677 Thu Aug 01, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 14:26 EDT Ralph seems to be trying to paint a portrait of an organized lynch mob; everyone, it appears, is "out to get him" for the same evil deeds. But, in fact, everyone I know who has objections to Ralph or to ST Report has those objections for distinctly personal reasons. One is miffed because of things he's written about that particular dev. Another is ticked off about behind-the-scenes shenanigans that hurt that particu- lar dev. In other words, the lynch mob may be there, but it isn't organized. Ralph has developed the "mob" through separate individual attacks by and large, and not so much through nastiness aimed at a group (except of course, ours). I've heard so many horror stories and have enough of my own that I simply cannot imagine that he isn't aware of what he has wrought. Anyway, I'm disappointed that he won't hold the conference and still surprised that he planned it in the first place. Is it cancelled or postponed? If the latter, it's very likely that the "mob" will still feel the same way when it does indeed occur, and chances are good that Ralph will have increased their number by then. And, yes, it would have been the co-of-the-year. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 678 Thu Aug 01, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 19:25 EDT I probably won't make the RTC, so someone get me a transcript in the mail. I'd ask for an unedited one to be sent right after so I can see it when I get home, but I imagine there will be lots of SENs. So have fun, don't lose your temper, and nail him to the wall. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 679 Thu Aug 01, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 20:57 EDT Off again On again. Is this a game or what? I made mention of it in the conference last night. I kept it very earnest. It was exactly how I felt: He's really beginning to dissapoint me. You'd think he'd be enough of a human being to call it quits but he keeps jabbing, and poking and ... kinda reminds me of any other rodent, ya know? I was planning, though many of you would probably not approve, to treat him as kind as I would anyone else if he were to be at any show we attended. (I mean, hey, if I could afford ammenities toward Leonard, why not the same to Ralph) But.... I've allowed myself to change my mind.... on both counts :^) Ralph and Leonard Sittin in a tree p i s s i n g in each others beers. Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 680 Thu Aug 01, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 21:48 EDT Apparently Ralph made a commitment to host a formal conference with himself as the guest. This commitment was advertised. GEnie is not in the habit of on again off again type agendas. Ralph was told exactly this, more or less :-), and he's on again. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 681 Thu Aug 01, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 21:51 EDT In fact I think the wording was more like "We (GEnie) do not cancel scheduled conferences unless circumstances beyond our control force us to do so ie; Natural disasters etc.." So Ralph is on again. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 682 Thu Aug 01, 1991 C.STANFORD at 23:28 EDT Lets see, if two negatives makes a positive then ST Report is just chocked full of positive thinking! Gosh we've just been looking at it in the wrong way... 8-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 683 Fri Aug 02, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 01:18 EDT I'll try to make it to the RTC but that's one Saturday that I have a few things already "ink-penned" in. Can we /sen "mommy-mommy" jokes to Ralph? :^) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 684 Fri Aug 02, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 02:22 EDT Re- Leaks: Everyone might want to consider changing their GEnie password, in case someone is getting in that way. Unlikely, but possible. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 685 Fri Aug 02, 1991 J.PIERSTORFF [J.PIERSTORFF] at 03:40 EDT Seen the new issue of ST Informer? There's a photo of Nevin and Nathan with Ralf's arm around them! EEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!:-< I know you guys probly had no choice without being rude to Sheldon. I really don't understand why Sheldon allowed him to give a seminar. I am sure his disertation was about how stupid Atari is and how anyone that bought an Atari Computer (from Sheldon or otherwise) was even stupider than Atari etc. etc. Jay Pierstorff ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 686 Fri Aug 02, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 09:58 EDT Jay, I don't know what his seminar was about; I don't know anyone who attended -- though it did look crowded in there. I couldn't go because three girls and their mom were checking out Kidpainter most of that time. What a remarkable choice for an illustration...What a coup for STI. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 687 Fri Aug 02, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 10:52 EDT This is a photo I have to see. I think Sheldon is trying to mend fences. Sheldon is just one heck of a nice guy. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 688 Fri Aug 02, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 13:58 EDT Yeah, I'm sure Sheldon wanted to show Ralph he was really a nice guy and an excellent dealer. They had lots of online "debates" ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 689 Fri Aug 02, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 23:40 EDT The RTC is on. Look at the door. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 690 Sat Aug 03, 1991 J.PIERSTORFF [J.PIERSTORFF] at 01:25 EDT Actually Dorothy, your photo is in STI too! However, in your photo Ralf is nowhere to be seen! =+> Jay Pierstorff ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 691 Sat Aug 03, 1991 H.MURPHY [M.S. Design] at 01:42 EDT RE: Bill Yerger He somehow got a COD from us WITHOUT paying for it!! How the UPS guy let this happen, I don't know. We did finally beat him into sending us the money, after many bills, each less friendly than the last. BTW, we desperately wanted to distribute 3k in the US, we even called them several times, but we were too late--the Goldleaf deal was all but done.... ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 692 Sat Aug 03, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 11:47 EDT H.MURPHY: Isn't UPS responsible for collecting the money on a COD? You're paying them for the service, after all. Seems to me that if they forget to collect, _they_ owe you the money. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 693 Sat Aug 03, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 14:19 EDT UPS isn't crazy ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 694 Sun Aug 04, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 06:36 EDT How went the Ralf CO tonight? Can anyone please e-mail me an unedited (sans /Sen's) capture? Thanks. ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 695 Sun Aug 04, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 10:07 EDT You want the formal part or the formal and informal? Dorothy: Can I use yours for the library or does it need to be edited? ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 696 Sun Aug 04, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 12:18 EDT If someone's emailing copies of the ST Reprt CO, I'd like to get one too. Thanks. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 698 Sun Aug 04, 1991 DATAQUE.1 [Chuck] at 14:19 EDT I wouldn't mind getting a copy also, I was dragged away unfortunately before the CO started. =( thanks, Chuck ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 699 Sun Aug 04, 1991 ICDINC at 16:34 EDT Dot, Please FWD it to me. Thanks, - TOM - ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 700 Sun Aug 04, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 16:51 EDT I'd like a copy also, I was out on "Dad & Lad Weekend" with the Cub Scouts. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 701 Sun Aug 04, 1991 GENEXRX [Gene] at 17:31 EDT Could you please add my name to the Email list? Thanks Gene ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 702 Sun Aug 04, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 21:15 EDT Thanks for the copy of the CO Dot! I'd say that first prize goes to Bob Brodie for "Most totally devastating yet totally truthful question asked during the conference". I liked this man the moment I first met him at the WAACE show last year. Second prize goes to Jim Allen for "The Most Appropriate musical accompanyment to the end of a conference". And a booby prize to Ralph Mariano for "The fastest electronic retreat since the last rerun of 'F Troop'". Way to run Ralph. And I hope our "leaker" got a good sample of the enmity he's helped stir up. Because when he gets found out, it'll be directed against him! George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. P.S. Print this if you dare Ralph! ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 703 Mon Aug 05, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 05:13 EDT Thanks for E-mailing me the conference transcript, Dorothy. Much appreciated. I owe you one. ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 704 Mon Aug 05, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 06:20 EDT Wow, what an entertaining CO! I can't believe he ducked out so early and didn't respond to Bob's /RAI. Is it possible that the ENTIRE conference may get published somewhere? I mean inclusive of Bob's question. Thanks again, Dorothy. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 705 Mon Aug 05, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 08:37 EDT Well we just have the formal part here but Bob asked it again in Cat 26 Topic 1. Ralph uploaded the RTC with Bob's query to us but we do our own transcripts. It is on CI$ in that format. We always just allow a transcript of the formal. The informal was very hot till people got in control and Ralph and Lloyd left. I couldn't and wouldn't allow such if I was in control of the RTC. Tis my job. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 706 Mon Aug 05, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 08:54 EDT Hot? The group gathered in my computer room went into hysterics as Bob started in, the kind of hooting you'd see at a basketball game as the amazingly long shot hits home. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 707 Mon Aug 05, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 18:09 EDT I heard similar stories. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 708 Mon Aug 05, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 18:55 EDT Man, nobody emailed me a copy, and I was the first to ask. I feel slighted ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 709 Mon Aug 05, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 19:23 EDT Sorry, Craig....thought Jeff would give you his. I can send but not tonight. I have to go get my mom from the airport in about 30 minutes. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 710 Mon Aug 05, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 19:36 EDT I took care of Craig...Somehow, Craig, I thought you were on my original list, but I see I overlooked you somehow. Sorry. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 711 Mon Aug 05, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 21:04 EDT Oh, that's ok. I really figured it was just a mistake. At least I am happier making that assumption. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 712 Mon Aug 05, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 23:14 EDT He's so skinny, he's easy to miss ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 713 Tue Aug 06, 1991 C.WALTERS1 [Chet] at 08:13 EDT If it ain't too late, I'd like to see that conference. C.walters1 is the address. ______Chet at \/\/iz\/\/orks! ;^{) Haven't been around much lately (busy) and I need a good dose of sleaze so pleaze send me the CO unedited for my viewing pleazure. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 714 Tue Aug 06, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 21:30 EDT Well, few cool things happen and I'm not having another baby, so I wanted to share with you all something cool that _did_ happen today: The editor of XEST, the only Austrian ST magazine of which I am aware, sent me a copy of the August 1991 issue. It includes a several-page spread that heavily promotes the use of computers by children and high- lights several of my programs and includes a full review (highly positive, natch) of Kidpublisher Professional! Just in time for the Duesseldorf AtariMesse! At least one other review of KP has already been published as well as a couple of new product announcements, so I don't feel like I'm going in there cold. I do seem to have a virtual monopoly on the German children's software market -- but then again, there _isn't_ a German children's software market! ;-) I have written to all of the German magazines to let them know I'll be at the Messe and have sent them my brochure. I figure I'll save mailing charges and mail the review copies from Germany. Gee, I'm getting excited about this thing! ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 715 Wed Aug 07, 1991 D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 00:30 EDT Well I missed hoopla. Could somebody send me the CO too please? It sounds interesting. Thanks. - David ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 716 Wed Aug 07, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 04:05 EDT Best of luck, Dorothy. :) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 717 Wed Aug 07, 1991 T.GILL7 [GILLT] at 20:58 EDT Great to hear your good news Dorothy! Tys ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 718 Thu Aug 08, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 00:36 EDT Ralph (who refuses to put anything in writing) Mariano has said on the telphone that he wants the IAAD membership to know that he will NOT publish anything from cat 75. No surprise there as he cannot deny knowledge of the consequences of that action. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 719 Thu Aug 08, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 00:49 EDT Wow, Nathan, that really puts my mind at ease. I am sooooooo relieved. Guess I'll be able to sleep at night, now, knowing our secrets are safe with him. Say, did he also promise not to share our messages with his staff and drinking buddies? Or with software distributors? Or with non-member developers? Or with somebody from Atari, say, Bob Brodie for example? Or does "publish" just mean he won't try to post them in his weekly ramblin' rag? Is _this_ he real response to Bob Brodie's RTC question? Is _this_ how he intends to mend fences with developers? Hand me the wire cutters. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 720 Thu Aug 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 01:00 EDT It s a wooden fence Dot, here s a match ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 721 Thu Aug 08, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 02:01 EDT Gee, Jim, this wood doesn't burn any better than barbed wire... ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 722 Thu Aug 08, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 02:57 EDT I still don't get it... is 'Dot' an abbreviation for something? I keep seeing it used over and over again. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 723 Thu Aug 08, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:20 EDT The Developer known as D.A.Brumleve has a real first name... Dorothy. She also has a nickname...DOT. That's it. :-) And yup, you said it well Dorothy re: Ralph. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 724 Thu Aug 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 12:09 EDT DOT is also where my father works ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 725 Thu Aug 08, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 17:40 EDT So what is it, Dorothy? About once a year we all rank on the name "Dot" ? Well, if it's that time of year again, I'll have to think up something good this time :^) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 726 Thu Aug 08, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 19:24 EDT Grrrr... ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 727 Fri Aug 09, 1991 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 01:41 EDT ...and her little dog ToTo too. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 728 Fri Aug 09, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 04:05 EDT Thanks for clearing that up, Nathan. Is there any other nicknames I should know about? :^) Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 729 Fri Aug 09, 1991 ICDINC at 08:54 EDT Dot is also a common American short name for Dorothy.... like Hank for Henry. - TOM - (T is short for Tom) ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 730 Fri Aug 09, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 19:26 EDT So.... is that now, MR. T ? ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 731 Fri Aug 09, 1991 ICDINC at 22:55 EDT My friends call me T, not to be confused with TT. ;-] - TOM - ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 732 Fri Aug 09, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 23:19 EDT Hey, I picked up our local Computer Paper yesterday. You know the type; newsprint tabloid, about 80 pages and 99% PC compatible ads and reviews. Well, nestled right in between an article about Ashton Tate buying Chevrolet (or was it Frigidaire buying Motorola?) and an article about dot pitch on your VGA monitors, was Phil Comeau's press release for GramSlam 6.0.7 (or whatever version it was.) The headline was almost as big too. Good work Phil! In the same issue was Darren's (Mind over MIDI) press release for Slave Driver. This must have been a tribute issue to IAAD members. :-) I would assume both of these were NewsBytes clips. So I guess the moral to this story is that those NewsBytes actually get published here and there. Worth submitting to! ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 733 Sat Aug 10, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 00:30 EDT How do you go about submitting a press release to NewsBytes...I hear it bantered about, but I never really figured out what and where it is...On GEnie? ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 734 Sat Aug 10, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 02:01 EDT This week's STR Editor's Podium ends with this paragraph: "STReport will never turn into a house magazine, we fervently guard and value our independence and above all else, the trust our readers have in us. We will always be more hard hitting, be willing to voice our opinions and share the latest rumors with our readers. To keep up with the pulse of the ST community, we go where necessary and we will not dis- tance ourselves from any of its users. There's going to be times when we blow it, and we want our readers to let us know when that happens. It would be easiest to go with the flow, and become an Atari apologetic publication, as others have done, but we're not going to change." It would seem to me that Ralph has no intention of ceasing to solicit, procure, and read messages from this Category. I think this is one of those times when he's blown it. We're not going to change, either, but we may have to lose some more members. Thanks for your continuing support, Ralph. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 735 Sat Aug 10, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:03 EDT Todd, I think the credit goes to Mike Brown of Atari Canada. He collected all the flyers from individual vendors at the Vancouver show and sent them to NewsByte. He also asked me if I would send a press release to NewsByte from time to time. I haven't found the time to do so but I guess he went ahead and sent it to them. Hats off to Mike! Dorothy, Send email to ATARICANADA(I think that's the right address) and they'll send you a list of branch offices of NewsByte you can send press release to. ------------ Category 75, Topic 17 Message 736 Sat Aug 10, 1991 P.COMEAU1 [Phil Comeau] at 14:40 EDT Thanks for passing that along, Todd. Yes, NewsBytes is responsible for disseminating the press release. I sent the press release to a guy named Grant Buckler (GEnie address NB.TOR). A couple of days after I sent it, he phoned me to check some facts and get some background on the product. 75 ?top No. Subject Msgs Status Author 1 Welcome to the IAAD Category 27 Marked DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] 2 Will you sign in please? 370 Marked D.A.BRUMLEVE 3 Mailing List Assistance 76 Marked D.A.BRUMLEVE 4 Comdex 1990 Meeting 202 Marked ISD [Nathan] 5 Messy Business 195 Ignore D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] 6 Mega STe 254 Marked W.BUCKHOLDT 7 Shows-Current Discussion: 16-bit Faire 498 Marked DOUBLE-CLICK 8 Design a computer 186 Open DAVESMALL 9 Confidentiality 520 Marked ISD [Nathan] 10 Technical Discussions 639 Marked C.WALTERS1 [Chet] 11 IAAD Business 74 Open D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] 12 Derailing... 250 Marked D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] 13 How are sales? 388 Marked PSINC 14 Dealing with the Public 103 Marked W.BUCKHOLDT 15 Dealing with Distributors and Dealers 427 Marked GORDON 16 Dealing with Atari 666 Marked DOUG.W 17 Dealing with the Media 742 Marked ISD [Nathan] 18 Dealing with Piracy 90 Open D.A.BRUMLEVE 19 Ye Olde Pub 859 Ignore DAVESMALL 20 Business Operations. 290 Open J.CRASWELL 21 ATARI DEVELOPERS WIN $50 MILLION... 62 Ignore NEVIN-S 22 High Speed PostScript Printer 30 Open GENEXRX [Gene] 23 Sam Tramiel's Conference 52 Open NEVIN-S 24 Floppy problems with the TT 55 Marked ICDINC 25 GEnie Info Confidential 16 Open DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] 26 IAAD Product Booklet 242 Open ISD [Nathan] 27 MIDI & Music/Sound in general. 13 Open J.CRASWELL 28 Million Dollar Ideas for FREE! 88 Open J.PIERSTORFF [J.PIERSTOR 29 IAAD PIN 129 Open ISD [Nathan] 30 RT discussion for a HD floppy cookie! 25 Marked JB.DAVIS [Brad@DreamPk] 31 How do we fix the Jerry Mess? 24 Open J.ALLEN27 32 Cat 18 Top 4 42 Open DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] 33 Survey: 74 Open DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] 34 ATARI grafix Work station 37 Open L.SEILER 35 COMDEX INFORMATION 4 Open R.TURNER10 36 Public perception of the IAAD 4 Open ICDINC Atari Computer is already in its agonizing death throes.... 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