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Topic 7 Tue Oct 30, 1990
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Sub: Shows-Current Discussion: 16-bit Faire

Let's talk about this show Jan 4-6, 1990
416 message(s) total.
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Message 315 Fri Jun 07, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 03:24 EDT

Important Notice:

It is my understanding that any developers who are interested in
demonstrating their wares at the Duesseldorfer Atarimesse must
confirm their intentions with Bill Rehbock before JUNE 17...This
means, essentially, that you must make your decision now.

I've decided to go. The best airfare I could get was around $1000,
and there ought to be much better deals for people with more
 flexibility. Don't bother me, y'all, I'm busy translating.
;-)
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Message 316 Fri Jun 07, 1991
CRAIG.S.THOM at 07:18 EDT

Dorothy, you might want to consider flying into Frankfurt and taking the
train. I am pretty sure that flights into Frankfurt are running under $400
round trip these days. There is a train station right under the Frankfurt
airport.
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Message 317 Fri Jun 07, 1991
ISD [Nathan] at 09:00 EDT

Craig is right on both the train and the pricing. :-)
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Message 318 Fri Jun 07, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 10:16 EDT

Hmmm...Too late now. The price of convenience, eh? But I'll remember
 that for next year.

$400? The consolidator fares I was looking at (but unable to get) were
only about $100-$200 below the rate I wound up paying on a commercial
flight.
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Message 319 Fri Jun 07, 1991
WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 22:18 EDT

Dorothy, We just got fares on LTU for $838 per person. Check it out. They
are non-stop from SFO but probably have flights from Chicago. Lauren
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Message 320 Fri Jun 07, 1991
BPENNER at 23:32 EDT

Dorothy,

No, I didn't notice it. I'll go check it out...thanks!

Bill
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Message 321 Sat Jun 08, 1991
J.ALLEN27 at 03:08 EDT

My distributor is a Luftanza 747 pilot...I get a price break ;-)
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Message 3
22 Sat Jun 08, 1991
JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 03:56 EDT

I'm gonna decide Dusseldorf right after Vancouver. At first, I thought it was
a 25% chance I'd go, but I think it has shot up to 75% in the last week (after
all, I found out that Dot's going!)

Yeah, Dot, $450 CND to Frankfurt.... that would have saved you enough money
to go to Glendale too :-)

-- George.

PS - Tim, my Alladin choked on the upload too. Maybe Aladdin likes its daddy
and didn't want to act up...

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Message 323 Sat Jun 08, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 14:13 EDT

The non-refundable $1000 tickets are, unfortunately, in hand...But I
also wonder how I'd feel about hopping on a train after just getting off
a plane. Anyhow, I sure expect sales to exceed expenses, even if I
flew 1st class...

George, my advice is not to wait until after Vancouver...At the very
least, I'd contact Bill in GEMail now and let him know your current
indecisive status, so he will be aware that you may jump in.
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Message
324 Sun Jun 09, 1991
J.ALLEN27 at 01:07 EDT

George, you can always pull out later, so just tell them you want to go.
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Message 325 Sun Jun 09, 1991
JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 02:58 EDT

I sent email to Bill last night to say that 90% chance I'll go. Of course, I
think he ignores most of my mail, but since I hid it in a reply to a message
from him he might see it. :-)

So, Dot, you're going to use this as a "sell to consumer" show, or just to
rack up some distributors?

If I do go to Dusseldorf, I'm not quite sure what I really plan to do over
there yet :-)


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Slightly different topic -- what do people think about the Blue Ridge show
thing? I can drive there, but the list of exhibitors is pretty scarce so it
doesn't look worth it. Or I can send my partner David, but he doesn't want to
go :-)

-- George.

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Message 326
Sun Jun 09, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 03:31 EDT

George, the Blue Ridge show will be fun. Not big probably, but fun.

And I most definitely _am_ viewing Duesseldorf as a major direct sales
opportunity. I don't know how I'm going to get all these boxes over there,
but I'll find a way. I three programs translated to German and I am
translating the last set of docs right now (and this manual is the
shortest). One program has already been released in German and debuted
in product announcements in several magazines. At least one review
will be published shortly, well in advance of the show. (Read up there:
I _have_ three...) I handle orders both by phone and mail _in_ German
several times a week, enough that most of my business has been in German
this past month.

I also definitely plan to seek out and sign a distributor or representative while I am there. There are many problems with this for my particular product area; I can't find _any_ counterpart to my own company over there. The PD people do a good business in children's programs,
so I believe there's a market to be found, but the commercial publishers
seem to be ignoring it. Also, my programs are in color for educational
reasons, and a lower percentage of Germans have color monitors/tvs. Even
so, I'll bet it's a bigger market than I have in North America. And,
 in any case, I'm good at convincing mono owners to buy color monitors in
order to run my programs, and I ought to be equally good at it in German.
If I sell well at the booth, that will be evidence to a potential
distributor that they should take me on. If I don't, I'll be sad, but
I'll still make contacts with the press and such that will help me
continue pushing my products from afar.

Ihr alle solltet Deutsch studieren! ;-)
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Message 327 Sun Jun 09, 1991
CRAIG.S.THOM at 07:22 EDT


Extra checked bags are only about $80 a piece and can weigh up to 70
pounds. When it comes down to it, $80 for next day air to Germany is pretty
darned cheap.
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Message 328 Sun Jun 09, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 09:22 EDT

Craig, what about the hassle of having ten or more boxes to lug? What about
that, huh? Wouldn't it be better to ship my stuff ahead of me?
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Message 329 Sun Jun 09, 1991
J.ALLEN27 at 16:06 EDT

Gee Dot, you ramping up a factory or what? Just have one case of each of your
products...50-100 units/case. Send it second day air to your hotel. Mark it as
brochures/documents for a trade show. Then just land a distributor and sell
them the cases, whole. Then kick back, give your demos, and have a great time.

Well, it sounds easy ;-)
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Message 330 Sun Jun 09, 1991
J.TRAUTSCH
OL [jtrautschold] at 23:22 EDT

Speaking of shows (other than in Germany...)

Visited the LCACE group (northern Chicago Atari group) this weekend to talk a
bit about Missionware Software, my products, etc. Spent a bit of time
chatting with the folks who run LCACE and who will be sponsoring the big
(hopefully) Chicago Atari show this November. They confirm two developers have
already sent in money (Chet and Dorothy?) but, they seem to be having problems
with Atari in getting a signed contract for the show! I thought that was
already a done deal since apparently it was Atari that set the $350/table
price for this show. The LCACE folks weren't happy about it either and have
been ragging on Brodie about every other day the past couple of weeks about
it. I had planned on giving them a check this weekend for my booth, but am
now holding back to see what happens. Hopefully they'll have an answer within
a couple of days.

And once again, let me ask...plead...whatever...is there anyone else that
would like to share a booth (10' x 10') with me? Although I think I can be
profitable, I'd really rather share with another small developer as a way to
cut costs a bit. One thing that helps me of course is that I only live about
12 miles from where the show is to be held, so there'd be no other expenses.
But being the cautious type, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

(Now...ahem...if this deal I'm trying to work out comes to pass, then I'd be
willing to pay *twice* what the booth is going for...but I
ain't countin' my
chickens until they hatch!)

John T.

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Message 331 Sun Jun 09, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 23:44 EDT

John, a little closer to showtime (when, of course, discounts will no longer
be available), you'll be able to get Mike Brown's help in pairing up with a
boothmate. Show-givers get many calls from others seeking to share, so they
are in the best position to mate you up.

I was about to back down from sharing a booth with Andrzej Wrotniak at the
WAACE show this year, because my new display requires a full 8' and I don't
want to give that up or compromise it...Then it occurred to me that I could
put another _table_ within the same booth space. Voila! Andrzej and I share a
booth, but have our own tables!

And you may be wondering why I _want_ to share a booth, barring of course the
obvious reduction in costs...My experience last year at WAACE was very
revealing. Next to our booth was the WizWorks! chaingang, yukking it up
with the users and doing a fine stream of business. Across the aisle was the debut
of CodeKeys. There was a mighty lot of action around our neck of the
sh{owfloor. We got in on it partly because Andrzej and I were having such fun
together that it attracted people. In fact, I think the _fun_ end of the
showfloor centered around this very area. If people hang around having fun,
they are more likely to buy. Andrzej and I get along very well, he's a real
comedian and an intellectual and an immigrant to boot, so he's perfect for me,
and his products are on the high-end of the educational realm, so that's
fitting in its way, too. You can spot each other, go for smoking breaks etc.
There are many advantages to booth-sharing beyond the price differential.
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Message 332 Mon Jun 10, 1991
NEVIN-S at 09:38 EDT

John, give me a call at 212-627-5830. Perhaps we could share a booth.

--Nevin

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Message 333 Tue Jun 11, 1991
CHERRY.FONTS at 06:15 EDT

Just a little news about the Vancouver show for those exhibiting
:

The 60 30-second radio spots (two separate stations) promoting the festival,
started on Sunday and sound pretty good. They are also giving away Lynxes in
this rock trivia phone-in thing where the festival is also mentioned.
Apparently one station will be on location with live radio give-aways and
their 7 foot mascot fox, both days.

A TV station (not an amateur cable thing) will apparently be there saturday to
grab some highlights for their "About Town" show that same evening. It should
have a profound effect on sunday's attendance.

The computer columnist for the Vancouver Province (who lambasted the Portfolio
because of its questionable IBM compatibility) sounded genuinely excited about
the festival. (Shocked me!) He devoted a third of his entire (weekly) column
to it. He was advising *business* people to go and check it out.

Large display ads have shown up in the The Computer Paper which is a highly
respected, local, general computing periodical. The Georgia Straight
(Vancouver's answer to Rolling Stone magazine) which is the local
entertainment industry bible/who's-who, is also carrying weekly display ads.
I've also stumbled on festival ads in the Buy/Sell tabloid.

At a recent MIDI Expo in downtown Vancouver that featured Jimmy Hotz, the
Atari Festival organisers gave away an estimated 1100 handbills proclaiming
"Musicians cannot survive on MIDI alone. Come to see what *else* your ST can
do for you."

..Todd

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Message 334 Tue Jun 11, 1991
ISD [Nathan] at 07:43 EDT

Todd, will we have the pleasure of a repeat performance by that Midi musician
that was at the PAcific Rim show? :-)
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Message 335 Tue Jun 11, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 09:07 EDT

The hype sounds great, Todd. I hope there will be a fine turnout!
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Message 336 Tue Jun 11, 1991
W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 17:05 EDT

Not just a fox, but a TALL fox! Wow!

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Message 337 Tue Jun 11, 1991
J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:44 EDT

Dorothy...

As always, thanks for your input. Again, at least for my first *big* show,
I'd really rather not take such a financial risk, but yet I'd like to get the
exposure as well. Hmmm... I'm also trying to save a few sheckles so I can
start to do some advertising. I'm curious to see what kind of results ads
will bring in (I'll probably start with Atari User and ST
Connection...especially their coupon book.)

Nevin...

Thanks for the offer...I'll give you a call in the next day or so. I would
certainly like to set something up with you. Talk to you later in the week.

John T.

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Message 338 Wed Jun 12, 1991
DAVESMALL at 01:43 EDT

The Small clan will be at Dusseldorf too.

I'd sure be interested in what airline is offering the lower prices into
Frankfurt. Can anyone toss a name in?

Our travel agent's sick and her sub isn't too on the ball.

We've got some stuff that's been seen before, and some stuff to give the
competition heart attacks that hasn't been seen before -- or talked about. I'm
really looking forward to it, now that I'm far more oriented by the CeBIT
experience and the followup contacts in Germany. Nice people.

-- thanks, Dave / Gadgets
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Message 339 Wed Jun 12, 1991
MINDOVERMIDI at 03:23 EDT

If the performer was Tim Brecht, yes, he'll be there. Possibly using my
software for performance. I took the liberty of posting PNAF ads all over Long
& McQuade (a local music store), and noticed they were all over Tom Lee as
well. It came as a bit of a shock to find that we are the only music software
manufacturer attending.
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Message 340 Wed Jun 12, 1991
CHERRY.FONTS at 08:25 EDT

Nathan,
Yes, Tim Brecht is scheduled to perform. Maybe I should phone Tim and see if
Atari bothered mentioning it to him. :-) I heard a different radio ad for the
festival today. It was pushing the MIDI end of things. This is a good
omen for Darren, the only MIDI dev to exhibit.

I was driving through Richmond tonight and noticed the big light-sign on City
Hall said: Welcome all Atari Users to the Steveston High School on Sat June
15th and Sun the 16th. Geeze. I thought I was seeing things. I might have
been.

Chill out, Doc. Not *that* kinda fox.

John T.,
ST-Informer gives you a lot of circulation bang for the advertising buck.
Check 'em out. They LOVE press releases.

Darren, I don't think Terry pitched the MIDI dev's very well. He would have
done well to go through Keyboard magazine, Mix magazine etc. and send
exhibitor kits to them. Too late.

..Todd

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Message 341 Wed Jun 12, 1991
ISD [Nathan] at 09:27 EDT

I forgot Tim's name (blush) Yes, that's who I meant. This guy is thoroughly
enjoyable. Get set for a treat. Toddm is there a banquet Saturday night? I
remember or I think I remember hearing mention of it. What do you know?
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Message 342 Wed Jun 12, 1991
WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 13:33 EDT

Dave, try LTU into Dusseldorf. Sometimes TWA and Delta have deals into
Frankfurt. John is flying to Dusseldorf tomorrow via LTU at $836 RT and our
August tickets are even cheaper. You have to reserve 21 days ahead and pay 24
hours from reservation to get the best rates. John's rate is the 7 day
purchase. I don't know if Frankfurt has such good deals. Lauren
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Message 343 Thu Jun 13, 1991
CHERRY.FONTS at 04:39 EDT

Banquet: Yes. It'll cost $20 CDN (or was it $12?) and includes booze from what
I've heard. Open to exhibitors only. Let us pray Terry isn't cooking <g>.

I told Terry to prepare some sort of KIT for arriving exhibitors. Said kit
would contain a little street map of the area, a schedule of events (including
the dinner thing), your name badges, parking passes etc. I think it's being
done.

..Todd
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Message 344 Thu Jun 13, 1991
ICDINC at 18:23 EDT


Dave, GEt a good travel agent. Those low fares come from Tour Companies that
buy up blocks of tickets (guarantee bodies). We usualy pay from $350 to $500
RT and have used both United and American going to Duesseldorf, Frankfurt, and
also Paris. These are non-stop from Chicago. Also just booked Australia for
$700 RT including 3 days in Honolulu. Most are 21 day advance non-refundable.
THe good fares come from a good agent who WORKs for you and is experienced.

- TOM -

BTW Anyone else get burned on non-refundable tickets to the Erie Show that
was just cancelled? ;-( I guess there are some disadvantages to cheap seats.
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Message 345 Thu Jun 13, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 19:03 EDT

The Erie show wound up being cancelled?
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Message 346 Thu Jun 13, 1991
J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:32 EDT

Todd...

St Informer obviously has a presence here on GEnie, right? Would you happen
to know what their email address is? I'm ready to go through anyone I can!

John T.

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Message 347 Thu Jun 13, 1991
J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:59 EDT

ST Informer's GEnie address is ST-INFORMER.

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Message 348 Thu Jun 13, 1991
J.ALLEN27 at 23:53 EDT

Imagine that
!! ;-)

Everyone I talked to was not going to that show, so I guess the hosts decided
not to go too.
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Message 349 Fri Jun 14, 1991
JLS [John STanley] at 07:30 EDT

Todd,

I just discovered I'm going to be in Vancouver for a couple of days the 1st
weekend in July. Because I hadn't planned to be in the area, I haven't been
paying attention to info on the Vancouver show info before now. I seem to
recall the show is this weekend (June 14-16) (which would mean I'd still miss
it...). Is that correct?

Can you give me dates for the show and suggest any local dealers or tourist-
type-sites I should check out while I'm in the city? :^)

Thanks,
... JLS
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Message 350 Fri Jun 14, 1991
CHERRY.FONTS at 08:51 EDT


I don't think ST Informer has a real "presence" here. They have one game
reviewer that uses the Informer account here but that's about it. Call Rod at
503-476-0071 or fax at 503-479-1825. Contract yourself to a years ads. If you
break the contract, you owe back the the DISCOUNTS only. Nothing more.

JLS, yes, the show is this weekend. Too bad you'll have missed it. I'll write
more about dealers and sights after the weekend frenzy has died away.

..Todd


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Message 351 Fri Jun 14, 1991
W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 12:34 EDT

Whhat! You mean you won't postpone the show a week or two? ;-) awwwwww.

Yep. The Erie show is postponed. Til 92. Maybe.

I was looking forward to a "close-by" show. Maybe I augta plan one for
Campbell. We'll have about 50-100 attendees. More if they bring their
friends/family/children etal ;-)



Not very good, considering we (NE Ohio) have several Atari Developers. Why, I
think we may even have as much as California (Sunnyvale not included;)

Bye: Dr. Bob
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Message 352 Sat Jun 15, 1991
J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 19:56 EDT

Uh...thanks John...guess that was pretty obvious! :-)

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Message 353 Mon Jun 17, 1991
JLS [John STanley] at 01:27 EDT

Todd,

Thanks for the info on the Vancouver show.
Sorry I missed it. How was it?

<RETURN>, <S>c
roll, <Q>uit ? ... JLS
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Message 354 Mon Jun 17, 1991
D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 02:17 EDT

I'd also appreciate a show report...This is one I would really have liked to
attend. How was turnout?
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Message 355 Mon Jun 17, 1991
G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 06:56 EDT

Yes, except for the early summary Darlah turned in, absolutely nothing seems
to have been said about this one.

George Richardson
Merlin Group, Inc.
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Message
356 Mon Jun 17, 1991
NEVIN-S at 10:46 EDT

Ditto...give us the scoop..! --Nevin
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Message 357 Mon Jun 17, 1991
C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 23:22 EDT

Back from the show.

I dunno, folks. I'd have to classify this one as disappointing, overall.
Sunday's turnout was just plain awful. I'd estimate attendance at 300 to 400,
max. Saturday was better -- probably more like a thousand. But a turnout of
less than ~1500 people for a two day show in a big city like Vancouver,
especially when there hasn't been a show in the area for quite some
time...well, that isn't very good news.

Sales-wise, most developers I spoke with managed to pay expenses, but not
much more. This was certainly true for CodeHead; I'll let others speak for
themselves. Apparently, a lot of hardware was sold, but very little software.
(Gee, why does that thought make me uncomfortable??)

Some aspects of the show's presentation could _definitely_ have been
improved upon. I don't know, maybe I'm being too picky -- but sticking a
hastily lettered sign that said simply "ATARI" on a forklift pallet and
propping it up on a fire hydrant in front of the school was perhaps not the
best way to entice passersby. And geez, that food!!! El barfo con grande, w/
thrice-puked hot dogs.

I had a very different opinion from Darlah's (sorry, D. <grin>) about the
little "MIDI concerts" that were staged in the main exhibition area. I don't
wanna quibble about the guy's talent (or lack of same); but the idea of having
him do _TWO_ (count 'em, two) 40-minute _loud_ (and we're talking _loud_)
shows during prime exhibition times in a small high school gymnasium was
really REALLY dumb. The rest of the show stopped completely while this went
on. Which might have been OK for 10 minutes, but was a major irritant at an
hour and 20. And many older people simply left because of the volume.

I feel for Mr. Small. (No, really. I do, Dave.) He was directly across
from ground zero. I saw him later in the parking lot, smashing his Hotz Box
with a sledgehammer, screaming "MIDI IS THE TOOL OF BEE
LZEBUB! DIE! DIE!"

There were positive aspects. Oddly enough, some Australian distributors
(with German/Aussie accents) showed up, interested in making contacts with
US/Canadian developers. And it's always nice to put faces to names at last.
I had a good conversation about the relative merits of ST DTP programs with
one show-goer. And I talked to a few Roger Rabbit-type screwballs (which can
be either amusing or taxing depending on your mental state). In general, the
attendees seemed like a nice bunch.

We had fun driving all over Vancouver in the rain with Craig Daymon and Bob
Engberson from Goldleaf, looking for a brew pub. (Which, for the non-
cognoscenti, is a place where they brew and serve their own beer.) We never
found that brew pub. Sigh. But we did have a close encounter with a room
full of guys wearing kilts and smoking cigars, and eventually ended up at
Vancouver's very own Bulldog Cafe. (The menu was not exactly the same as the
one at the Amsterdam Bulldog, though...)

- Charles

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Message 358 Mon Jun 17, 1991
CRAIG.S.THOM at 23:29 EDT

Charles, I have two brewpubs listed in Victoria (Swan's and Spinnak
ers) but none in Vancouver. There are a couple of good beer bars there, though. I
sent Jeff with the addresses. Don't have the names with me (the
appropriate reference is at the office).
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Message 359 Tue Jun 18, 1991
MINDOVERMIDI at 03:05 EDT

Well, it was nice to meet those of you that I did. To those that I missed I
apologize (half the time I was the only one at our booth who understood our
products, the other half of the time I was the only one at our booth). Nice to
discover common interests with Charles...

I hear I didn't miss much at the dinner, except for the opportunity to provide
some much needed directions to pubs. Yes, the sign out front was pathetic. I
can't complain about Tim's shows as he generated our only two sales, to two
dealers at half-dealer prices. The one customer who was sure to buy our
product won it in our draw.

But yeah, thank God for those two Ozzies.
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Message 360 Tue Jun 18, 19
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WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:38 EDT

About the show,

Although the attendance turn out to be a disappointment, I have noticed that
Atari ST seems to enjoy a stronger following in Canada. Unfortunately for most
of us, most of the people I talked to use it only to play games.

Dr. Bob:

Be careful when making statements like that. There may just be more Atari
developers in Southern California than all of Northern California (including
Sunnyvale). That may explain why Glendale shows are always bigger than San
Jose shows. Then again, Southern Cal probably has the least Atari dealers per
computer user capita in the whole continental US. |=^)

Paul, a Southern California Developer

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Message 361 Tue Jun 18, 1991
W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 17:52 EDT

Paul,
Maybe I should include Southern Ohio as well then. (some call it
West Virginia;) hmmmmm no. I guess I'd just better be more careful
then.

Bye: Dr. Bob
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Message 362 Tue Jun 18, 1991
DOUBLE-CLICK at 20:22 EDT

Charles -

Overall, I'd say that we've done better (sales percentage-wise) at the two
Canadian shows than at the US shows...
(Dollar-wise, not individual sales-wise), we did about 15% of attendance,
rather than about 2-4%...
Of course, only flying myself up there helped cut costs.
Overall, I'd say the Canadians are more willing to part with their money than
the US folx.
Still, the shows are definitely getting to be slim-pickin's!

- mike

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Message 363 Tue Jun 18, 1991

WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 21:08 EDT

We made a small profit at Windsor and a small loss at Vancouver. The US shows
have generally been better, but I think that what we are seeing is the
disintegration of the market. I expect WAACE and Glendale to be significantly
less attended and will be happy to break even at WAACE, and expect a small
profit at Glendale only because we are in CA.

I wasn't at Vancouver due to illness but Bob and Craig said it was well organized and busy on Sat. Very slow Sun probably due to Father's Day.

Because of the costs vs return we are passing on Indianapolis and all other shows except BRACE, COMDEX, Dusseldorf and Seybold besides the aforementioned WAACE and Glendale. We are doing a demo with Nevin at Manny's tacked onto the back of the BRACE show.

So yeah, Mike. Slim pickins at the shows--likely to get slimmer. The writing
is on the wall. Find vertical niches, change platforms or like Atari, die slowly....other than that, laugh and be happy! Lauren
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Message 364 Wed Jun 19, 1991
J.ALLEN27 at 00:45 EDT

Slim Pickens at the shows!!!! I need to go more often, he was one of my
favorite actors...must stink pretty bad now though ;-)

Badumpbump.

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