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Topic 7 Tue Oct 30, 1990 DOUBLE-CLICK (Forwarded) Sub: Shows-Current Discussion: 16-bit Faire Let's talk about this show Jan 4-6, 1990 416 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 315 Fri Jun 07, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 03:24 EDT Important Notice: It is my understanding that any developers who are interested in demonstrating their wares at the Duesseldorfer Atarimesse must confirm their intentions with Bill Rehbock before JUNE 17...This means, essentially, that you must make your decision now. I've decided to go. The best airfare I could get was around $1000, and there ought to be much better deals for people with more flexibility. Don't bother me, y'all, I'm busy translating. ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 316 Fri Jun 07, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 07:18 EDT Dorothy, you might want to consider flying into Frankfurt and taking the train. I am pretty sure that flights into Frankfurt are running under $400 round trip these days. There is a train station right under the Frankfurt airport. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 317 Fri Jun 07, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:00 EDT Craig is right on both the train and the pricing. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 318 Fri Jun 07, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 10:16 EDT Hmmm...Too late now. The price of convenience, eh? But I'll remember that for next year. $400? The consolidator fares I was looking at (but unable to get) were only about $100-$200 below the rate I wound up paying on a commercial flight. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 319 Fri Jun 07, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 22:18 EDT Dorothy, We just got fares on LTU for $838 per person. Check it out. They are non-stop from SFO but probably have flights from Chicago. Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 320 Fri Jun 07, 1991 BPENNER at 23:32 EDT Dorothy, No, I didn't notice it. I'll go check it out...thanks! Bill ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 321 Sat Jun 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 03:08 EDT My distributor is a Luftanza 747 pilot...I get a price break ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 3 22 Sat Jun 08, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 03:56 EDT I'm gonna decide Dusseldorf right after Vancouver. At first, I thought it was a 25% chance I'd go, but I think it has shot up to 75% in the last week (after all, I found out that Dot's going!) Yeah, Dot, $450 CND to Frankfurt.... that would have saved you enough money to go to Glendale too :-) -- George. PS - Tim, my Alladin choked on the upload too. Maybe Aladdin likes its daddy and didn't want to act up... ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 323 Sat Jun 08, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 14:13 EDT The non-refundable $1000 tickets are, unfortunately, in hand...But I also wonder how I'd feel about hopping on a train after just getting off a plane. Anyhow, I sure expect sales to exceed expenses, even if I flew 1st class... George, my advice is not to wait until after Vancouver...At the very least, I'd contact Bill in GEMail now and let him know your current indecisive status, so he will be aware that you may jump in. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 324 Sun Jun 09, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 01:07 EDT George, you can always pull out later, so just tell them you want to go. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 325 Sun Jun 09, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 02:58 EDT I sent email to Bill last night to say that 90% chance I'll go. Of course, I think he ignores most of my mail, but since I hid it in a reply to a message from him he might see it. :-) So, Dot, you're going to use this as a "sell to consumer" show, or just to rack up some distributors? If I do go to Dusseldorf, I'm not quite sure what I really plan to do over there yet :-) --------- Slightly different topic -- what do people think about the Blue Ridge show thing? I can drive there, but the list of exhibitors is pretty scarce so it doesn't look worth it. Or I can send my partner David, but he doesn't want to go :-) -- George. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 326 Sun Jun 09, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 03:31 EDT George, the Blue Ridge show will be fun. Not big probably, but fun. And I most definitely _am_ viewing Duesseldorf as a major direct sales opportunity. I don't know how I'm going to get all these boxes over there, but I'll find a way. I three programs translated to German and I am translating the last set of docs right now (and this manual is the shortest). One program has already been released in German and debuted in product announcements in several magazines. At least one review will be published shortly, well in advance of the show. (Read up there: I _have_ three...) I handle orders both by phone and mail _in_ German several times a week, enough that most of my business has been in German this past month. I also definitely plan to seek out and sign a distributor or representative while I am there. There are many problems with this for my particular product area; I can't find _any_ counterpart to my own company over there. The PD people do a good business in children's programs, so I believe there's a market to be found, but the commercial publishers seem to be ignoring it. Also, my programs are in color for educational reasons, and a lower percentage of Germans have color monitors/tvs. Even so, I'll bet it's a bigger market than I have in North America. And, in any case, I'm good at convincing mono owners to buy color monitors in order to run my programs, and I ought to be equally good at it in German. If I sell well at the booth, that will be evidence to a potential distributor that they should take me on. If I don't, I'll be sad, but I'll still make contacts with the press and such that will help me continue pushing my products from afar. Ihr alle solltet Deutsch studieren! ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 327 Sun Jun 09, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 07:22 EDT Extra checked bags are only about $80 a piece and can weigh up to 70 pounds. When it comes down to it, $80 for next day air to Germany is pretty darned cheap. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 328 Sun Jun 09, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 09:22 EDT Craig, what about the hassle of having ten or more boxes to lug? What about that, huh? Wouldn't it be better to ship my stuff ahead of me? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 329 Sun Jun 09, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 16:06 EDT Gee Dot, you ramping up a factory or what? Just have one case of each of your products...50-100 units/case. Send it second day air to your hotel. Mark it as brochures/documents for a trade show. Then just land a distributor and sell them the cases, whole. Then kick back, give your demos, and have a great time. Well, it sounds easy ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 330 Sun Jun 09, 1991 J.TRAUTSCH OL [jtrautschold] at 23:22 EDT Speaking of shows (other than in Germany...) Visited the LCACE group (northern Chicago Atari group) this weekend to talk a bit about Missionware Software, my products, etc. Spent a bit of time chatting with the folks who run LCACE and who will be sponsoring the big (hopefully) Chicago Atari show this November. They confirm two developers have already sent in money (Chet and Dorothy?) but, they seem to be having problems with Atari in getting a signed contract for the show! I thought that was already a done deal since apparently it was Atari that set the $350/table price for this show. The LCACE folks weren't happy about it either and have been ragging on Brodie about every other day the past couple of weeks about it. I had planned on giving them a check this weekend for my booth, but am now holding back to see what happens. Hopefully they'll have an answer within a couple of days. And once again, let me ask...plead...whatever...is there anyone else that would like to share a booth (10' x 10') with me? Although I think I can be profitable, I'd really rather share with another small developer as a way to cut costs a bit. One thing that helps me of course is that I only live about 12 miles from where the show is to be held, so there'd be no other expenses. But being the cautious type, I'd rather be safe than sorry. (Now...ahem...if this deal I'm trying to work out comes to pass, then I'd be willing to pay *twice* what the booth is going for...but I ain't countin' my chickens until they hatch!) John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 331 Sun Jun 09, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 23:44 EDT John, a little closer to showtime (when, of course, discounts will no longer be available), you'll be able to get Mike Brown's help in pairing up with a boothmate. Show-givers get many calls from others seeking to share, so they are in the best position to mate you up. I was about to back down from sharing a booth with Andrzej Wrotniak at the WAACE show this year, because my new display requires a full 8' and I don't want to give that up or compromise it...Then it occurred to me that I could put another _table_ within the same booth space. Voila! Andrzej and I share a booth, but have our own tables! And you may be wondering why I _want_ to share a booth, barring of course the obvious reduction in costs...My experience last year at WAACE was very revealing. Next to our booth was the WizWorks! chaingang, yukking it up with the users and doing a fine stream of business. Across the aisle was the debut of CodeKeys. There was a mighty lot of action around our neck of the sh{owfloor. We got in on it partly because Andrzej and I were having such fun together that it attracted people. In fact, I think the _fun_ end of the showfloor centered around this very area. If people hang around having fun, they are more likely to buy. Andrzej and I get along very well, he's a real comedian and an intellectual and an immigrant to boot, so he's perfect for me, and his products are on the high-end of the educational realm, so that's fitting in its way, too. You can spot each other, go for smoking breaks etc. There are many advantages to booth-sharing beyond the price differential. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 332 Mon Jun 10, 1991 NEVIN-S at 09:38 EDT John, give me a call at 212-627-5830. Perhaps we could share a booth. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 333 Tue Jun 11, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 06:15 EDT Just a little news about the Vancouver show for those exhibiting : The 60 30-second radio spots (two separate stations) promoting the festival, started on Sunday and sound pretty good. They are also giving away Lynxes in this rock trivia phone-in thing where the festival is also mentioned. Apparently one station will be on location with live radio give-aways and their 7 foot mascot fox, both days. A TV station (not an amateur cable thing) will apparently be there saturday to grab some highlights for their "About Town" show that same evening. It should have a profound effect on sunday's attendance. The computer columnist for the Vancouver Province (who lambasted the Portfolio because of its questionable IBM compatibility) sounded genuinely excited about the festival. (Shocked me!) He devoted a third of his entire (weekly) column to it. He was advising *business* people to go and check it out. Large display ads have shown up in the The Computer Paper which is a highly respected, local, general computing periodical. The Georgia Straight (Vancouver's answer to Rolling Stone magazine) which is the local entertainment industry bible/who's-who, is also carrying weekly display ads. I've also stumbled on festival ads in the Buy/Sell tabloid. At a recent MIDI Expo in downtown Vancouver that featured Jimmy Hotz, the Atari Festival organisers gave away an estimated 1100 handbills proclaiming "Musicians cannot survive on MIDI alone. Come to see what *else* your ST can do for you." ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 334 Tue Jun 11, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 07:43 EDT Todd, will we have the pleasure of a repeat performance by that Midi musician that was at the PAcific Rim show? :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 335 Tue Jun 11, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 09:07 EDT The hype sounds great, Todd. I hope there will be a fine turnout! ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 336 Tue Jun 11, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 17:05 EDT Not just a fox, but a TALL fox! Wow! ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 337 Tue Jun 11, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:44 EDT Dorothy... As always, thanks for your input. Again, at least for my first *big* show, I'd really rather not take such a financial risk, but yet I'd like to get the exposure as well. Hmmm... I'm also trying to save a few sheckles so I can start to do some advertising. I'm curious to see what kind of results ads will bring in (I'll probably start with Atari User and ST Connection...especially their coupon book.) Nevin... Thanks for the offer...I'll give you a call in the next day or so. I would certainly like to set something up with you. Talk to you later in the week. John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 338 Wed Jun 12, 1991 DAVESMALL at 01:43 EDT The Small clan will be at Dusseldorf too. I'd sure be interested in what airline is offering the lower prices into Frankfurt. Can anyone toss a name in? Our travel agent's sick and her sub isn't too on the ball. We've got some stuff that's been seen before, and some stuff to give the competition heart attacks that hasn't been seen before -- or talked about. I'm really looking forward to it, now that I'm far more oriented by the CeBIT experience and the followup contacts in Germany. Nice people. -- thanks, Dave / Gadgets ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 339 Wed Jun 12, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 03:23 EDT If the performer was Tim Brecht, yes, he'll be there. Possibly using my software for performance. I took the liberty of posting PNAF ads all over Long & McQuade (a local music store), and noticed they were all over Tom Lee as well. It came as a bit of a shock to find that we are the only music software manufacturer attending. ------------ | Category 75, Topic 7 Message 340 Wed Jun 12, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 08:25 EDT Nathan, Yes, Tim Brecht is scheduled to perform. Maybe I should phone Tim and see if Atari bothered mentioning it to him. :-) I heard a different radio ad for the festival today. It was pushing the MIDI end of things. This is a good omen for Darren, the only MIDI dev to exhibit. I was driving through Richmond tonight and noticed the big light-sign on City Hall said: Welcome all Atari Users to the Steveston High School on Sat June 15th and Sun the 16th. Geeze. I thought I was seeing things. I might have been. Chill out, Doc. Not *that* kinda fox. John T., ST-Informer gives you a lot of circulation bang for the advertising buck. Check 'em out. They LOVE press releases. Darren, I don't think Terry pitched the MIDI dev's very well. He would have done well to go through Keyboard magazine, Mix magazine etc. and send exhibitor kits to them. Too late. ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 341 Wed Jun 12, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:27 EDT I forgot Tim's name (blush) Yes, that's who I meant. This guy is thoroughly enjoyable. Get set for a treat. Toddm is there a banquet Saturday night? I remember or I think I remember hearing mention of it. What do you know? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 342 Wed Jun 12, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 13:33 EDT Dave, try LTU into Dusseldorf. Sometimes TWA and Delta have deals into Frankfurt. John is flying to Dusseldorf tomorrow via LTU at $836 RT and our August tickets are even cheaper. You have to reserve 21 days ahead and pay 24 hours from reservation to get the best rates. John's rate is the 7 day purchase. I don't know if Frankfurt has such good deals. Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 343 Thu Jun 13, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 04:39 EDT Banquet: Yes. It'll cost $20 CDN (or was it $12?) and includes booze from what I've heard. Open to exhibitors only. Let us pray Terry isn't cooking <g>. I told Terry to prepare some sort of KIT for arriving exhibitors. Said kit would contain a little street map of the area, a schedule of events (including the dinner thing), your name badges, parking passes etc. I think it's being done. ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 344 Thu Jun 13, 1991 ICDINC at 18:23 EDT Dave, GEt a good travel agent. Those low fares come from Tour Companies that buy up blocks of tickets (guarantee bodies). We usualy pay from $350 to $500 RT and have used both United and American going to Duesseldorf, Frankfurt, and also Paris. These are non-stop from Chicago. Also just booked Australia for $700 RT including 3 days in Honolulu. Most are 21 day advance non-refundable. THe good fares come from a good agent who WORKs for you and is experienced. - TOM - BTW Anyone else get burned on non-refundable tickets to the Erie Show that was just cancelled? ;-( I guess there are some disadvantages to cheap seats. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 345 Thu Jun 13, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 19:03 EDT The Erie show wound up being cancelled? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 346 Thu Jun 13, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:32 EDT Todd... St Informer obviously has a presence here on GEnie, right? Would you happen to know what their email address is? I'm ready to go through anyone I can! John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 347 Thu Jun 13, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:59 EDT ST Informer's GEnie address is ST-INFORMER. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 348 Thu Jun 13, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:53 EDT Imagine that !! ;-) Everyone I talked to was not going to that show, so I guess the hosts decided not to go too. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 349 Fri Jun 14, 1991 JLS [John STanley] at 07:30 EDT Todd, I just discovered I'm going to be in Vancouver for a couple of days the 1st weekend in July. Because I hadn't planned to be in the area, I haven't been paying attention to info on the Vancouver show info before now. I seem to recall the show is this weekend (June 14-16) (which would mean I'd still miss it...). Is that correct? Can you give me dates for the show and suggest any local dealers or tourist- type-sites I should check out while I'm in the city? :^) Thanks, ... JLS ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 350 Fri Jun 14, 1991 CHERRY.FONTS at 08:51 EDT I don't think ST Informer has a real "presence" here. They have one game reviewer that uses the Informer account here but that's about it. Call Rod at 503-476-0071 or fax at 503-479-1825. Contract yourself to a years ads. If you break the contract, you owe back the the DISCOUNTS only. Nothing more. JLS, yes, the show is this weekend. Too bad you'll have missed it. I'll write more about dealers and sights after the weekend frenzy has died away. ..Todd ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 351 Fri Jun 14, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 12:34 EDT Whhat! You mean you won't postpone the show a week or two? ;-) awwwwww. Yep. The Erie show is postponed. Til 92. Maybe. I was looking forward to a "close-by" show. Maybe I augta plan one for Campbell. We'll have about 50-100 attendees. More if they bring their friends/family/children etal ;-) Not very good, considering we (NE Ohio) have several Atari Developers. Why, I think we may even have as much as California (Sunnyvale not included;) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 352 Sat Jun 15, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 19:56 EDT Uh...thanks John...guess that was pretty obvious! :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 353 Mon Jun 17, 1991 JLS [John STanley] at 01:27 EDT Todd, Thanks for the info on the Vancouver show. Sorry I missed it. How was it? <RETURN>, <S>c roll, <Q>uit ? ... JLS ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 354 Mon Jun 17, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 02:17 EDT I'd also appreciate a show report...This is one I would really have liked to attend. How was turnout? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 355 Mon Jun 17, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 06:56 EDT Yes, except for the early summary Darlah turned in, absolutely nothing seems to have been said about this one. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 356 Mon Jun 17, 1991 NEVIN-S at 10:46 EDT Ditto...give us the scoop..! --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 357 Mon Jun 17, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 23:22 EDT Back from the show. I dunno, folks. I'd have to classify this one as disappointing, overall. Sunday's turnout was just plain awful. I'd estimate attendance at 300 to 400, max. Saturday was better -- probably more like a thousand. But a turnout of less than ~1500 people for a two day show in a big city like Vancouver, especially when there hasn't been a show in the area for quite some time...well, that isn't very good news. Sales-wise, most developers I spoke with managed to pay expenses, but not much more. This was certainly true for CodeHead; I'll let others speak for themselves. Apparently, a lot of hardware was sold, but very little software. (Gee, why does that thought make me uncomfortable??) Some aspects of the show's presentation could _definitely_ have been improved upon. I don't know, maybe I'm being too picky -- but sticking a hastily lettered sign that said simply "ATARI" on a forklift pallet and propping it up on a fire hydrant in front of the school was perhaps not the best way to entice passersby. And geez, that food!!! El barfo con grande, w/ thrice-puked hot dogs. I had a very different opinion from Darlah's (sorry, D. <grin>) about the little "MIDI concerts" that were staged in the main exhibition area. I don't wanna quibble about the guy's talent (or lack of same); but the idea of having him do _TWO_ (count 'em, two) 40-minute _loud_ (and we're talking _loud_) shows during prime exhibition times in a small high school gymnasium was really REALLY dumb. The rest of the show stopped completely while this went on. Which might have been OK for 10 minutes, but was a major irritant at an hour and 20. And many older people simply left because of the volume. I feel for Mr. Small. (No, really. I do, Dave.) He was directly across from ground zero. I saw him later in the parking lot, smashing his Hotz Box with a sledgehammer, screaming "MIDI IS THE TOOL OF BEE LZEBUB! DIE! DIE!" There were positive aspects. Oddly enough, some Australian distributors (with German/Aussie accents) showed up, interested in making contacts with US/Canadian developers. And it's always nice to put faces to names at last. I had a good conversation about the relative merits of ST DTP programs with one show-goer. And I talked to a few Roger Rabbit-type screwballs (which can be either amusing or taxing depending on your mental state). In general, the attendees seemed like a nice bunch. We had fun driving all over Vancouver in the rain with Craig Daymon and Bob Engberson from Goldleaf, looking for a brew pub. (Which, for the non- cognoscenti, is a place where they brew and serve their own beer.) We never found that brew pub. Sigh. But we did have a close encounter with a room full of guys wearing kilts and smoking cigars, and eventually ended up at Vancouver's very own Bulldog Cafe. (The menu was not exactly the same as the one at the Amsterdam Bulldog, though...) - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 358 Mon Jun 17, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 23:29 EDT Charles, I have two brewpubs listed in Victoria (Swan's and Spinnak ers) but none in Vancouver. There are a couple of good beer bars there, though. I sent Jeff with the addresses. Don't have the names with me (the appropriate reference is at the office). ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 359 Tue Jun 18, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 03:05 EDT Well, it was nice to meet those of you that I did. To those that I missed I apologize (half the time I was the only one at our booth who understood our products, the other half of the time I was the only one at our booth). Nice to discover common interests with Charles... I hear I didn't miss much at the dinner, except for the opportunity to provide some much needed directions to pubs. Yes, the sign out front was pathetic. I can't complain about Tim's shows as he generated our only two sales, to two dealers at half-dealer prices. The one customer who was sure to buy our product won it in our draw. But yeah, thank God for those two Ozzies. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 360 Tue Jun 18, 19 91 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:38 EDT About the show, Although the attendance turn out to be a disappointment, I have noticed that Atari ST seems to enjoy a stronger following in Canada. Unfortunately for most of us, most of the people I talked to use it only to play games. Dr. Bob: Be careful when making statements like that. There may just be more Atari developers in Southern California than all of Northern California (including Sunnyvale). That may explain why Glendale shows are always bigger than San Jose shows. Then again, Southern Cal probably has the least Atari dealers per computer user capita in the whole continental US. |=^) Paul, a Southern California Developer ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 361 Tue Jun 18, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 17:52 EDT Paul, Maybe I should include Southern Ohio as well then. (some call it West Virginia;) hmmmmm no. I guess I'd just better be more careful then. Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 362 Tue Jun 18, 1991 DOUBLE-CLICK at 20:22 EDT Charles - Overall, I'd say that we've done better (sales percentage-wise) at the two Canadian shows than at the US shows... (Dollar-wise, not individual sales-wise), we did about 15% of attendance, rather than about 2-4%... Of course, only flying myself up there helped cut costs. Overall, I'd say the Canadians are more willing to part with their money than the US folx. Still, the shows are definitely getting to be slim-pickin's! - mike ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 363 Tue Jun 18, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 21:08 EDT We made a small profit at Windsor and a small loss at Vancouver. The US shows have generally been better, but I think that what we are seeing is the disintegration of the market. I expect WAACE and Glendale to be significantly less attended and will be happy to break even at WAACE, and expect a small profit at Glendale only because we are in CA. I wasn't at Vancouver due to illness but Bob and Craig said it was well organized and busy on Sat. Very slow Sun probably due to Father's Day. Because of the costs vs return we are passing on Indianapolis and all other shows except BRACE, COMDEX, Dusseldorf and Seybold besides the aforementioned WAACE and Glendale. We are doing a demo with Nevin at Manny's tacked onto the back of the BRACE show. So yeah, Mike. Slim pickins at the shows--likely to get slimmer. The writing is on the wall. Find vertical niches, change platforms or like Atari, die slowly....other than that, laugh and be happy! Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 364 Wed Jun 19, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:45 EDT Slim Pickens at the shows!!!! I need to go more often, he was one of my favorite actors...must stink pretty bad now though ;-) Badumpbump.

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