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Category 75, Topic 12 Message 227 Sat Jul 06, 1991 T.GILL7 [GILLT] at 23:31 EDT David, Hmm, not sure what to say. Porting is not a big issue right now but I am anticipating. If you would like me to play around porting as a beta tester maybe I could give you some good feedback and you could get the PC version a little farther along the figment<->reality continuim... I would be happy to buy it from you if and when we decide to use it. Let me know by E-mail if you are interested. Tys. ------------ ************ Topic 13 Thu Dec 07, 1989 PSINC (Forwarded) Sub: How are sales? I hope this Topic can be used to get a general indication of sales. 380 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 368 Sat Jun 29, 1991 NEVIN-S at 01:16 EDT The following excerpt is from today's (6/28) Wall Street Journal: "Atari Corp. expects second quarter sales to be 'substantially' below those of the year-ago period.....Atari blamed the current sales slump on sluggishness in the Euorpean market where the company is heavily concentrated." Nothing surprising. I guess since it is the end of the quarter they looked at their books...and after peeling themselves off the floor decided to issue a press relese so their stockholders wouldn't have a heart attack when the earnings (or losses) are released next month. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 369 Sat Jun 29, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 02:55 EDT But gee, the TiTy got mentioned in BYTE again....whoopey. ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 370 Mon Jul 01, 1991 DAVESMALL at 21:30 EDT I would not be particularly surprised to log into GEnie some day and find Atari had been sold. Would anyone here? == thanks, Dave ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 371 Mon Jul 01, 1991 NEVIN-S at 22:28 EDT Dave, that's an interesting question. Jack T and his family control more than 50% of the stock, so it is really a matter of whether they want to sell it. With the stock at about $2 1/2 per share, the company is not worth a whole lot. I have heard rumors on and off for the past couple of years of a sale but it never happens. Just recently I heard a rumor from a decent source that Jack had to get the stock up to $8 per share for the Israeli venture (production plant) to take effect--and that the price had to be there by July 1. Well I told this fellow that there was no way in hell that the stock was going to mov e from 2 to 8 in one month. And it didn't. Change of subject: anyone else notice the recent articles about Radio Shack/Tandy beginning to put brand name electronics in their stores for the first time ever (not just Radio Shack brand)? Well if Atari could manufacture a couple hundred thousand 1040STe's a year for the US it sure would be great to see them in those stores. And before anyone says it's too low class for the machine, take a real look at where the machine is these days. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 372 Mon Jul 01, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:36 EDT RS would be a real coup Nev, but since they aren't fools, and the T's are too unrealistic margin-wise, it won't happen. The Mac Classic is what I expect to see. I thought RS had made a proto clone of the Mac and Apple had agreed to let them sell a low cost model in the future in return for burying it? RS's computers are no longer junk, just your typical pc clones. ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 373 Tue Jul 02, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 01:19 EDT Yes, Nevin, there's a article in Electronics News. RS is going to sell everything under the sun...except Atari's. They are buying out Innacomp in LA for starters. ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 374 Tue Jul 02, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:19 EDT I WISH Atari got product into Radio Shack, any model, even the Lynx. I wish, I wish, I wish. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 375 Tue Jul 02, 1991 NEVIN-S at 17:45 EDT Geez, we could all sell "jillions" if Atari went into Radio Shack. <grin> --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 376 Tue Jul 02, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:57 EDT F'ing Jillions!!!!! ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 377 Wed Jul 03, 1991 D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 03:47 EDT Dave Small, I never under stood why the T's didn't sell Atari when it was worth something. Anyone familiar with the company and with half a brain could have easily predicted this demise in 1987. But on paper they looked OK then and probably could have gotten out from under Atari with a tidy sum. My gut feeling has always been that they never found a sucker that would give them what they wanted. Nobody was that stupid -- for once. The worst of it is that I don't think any of the T's have actually "lost" money, because they never used their own money to form the company. Just like the S&L scum, the T's will be far from pennyless when it's all over. - David ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 378 Wed Jul 03, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:35 EDT David B. no argument there. I wish I was anywhere near as poor as Jack Tramiel would be if Atari closed tomorrow. :-) I suspect he's personally worth approaching 400 million at this point. ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 379 Wed Jul 03, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 13:04 EDT Yes, but can he o this?..... "piruetting across the room" ------------ Category 75, Topic 13 Message 380 Tue Jul 09, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 21:44 EDT I think (its a guess) that they stay with the company due to invested time etc. Selling interest in "You " oops "Your" company is very hard to do. ------------ ************ Topic 15 Fri Oct 20, 1989 GORDON (Forwarded) Sub: Dealing with Distributors and Dealers Let's talk about Distributer and Dealer Policies. 338 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 267 Thu Jun 06, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:19 EDT Thanks Nathan and Dave. The phone numbers really helps. Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 268 Thu Jun 06, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:43 EDT Thanks Dave. :-) I just yanked Tony's card out. Need to get a new one. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 269 Thu Jun 06, 1991 P.COMEAU1 [Phil Comeau] at 20:58 EDT I found out this week that a UK magazine (ST Format, I think) voted GramSlam (my product) the "#1 public-domain" program in the UK (actually, it tied for 1st place). This is good news and bad news. Good because it's number one. Bad because GramSlam is commercial and not public domain. I suspect the "public domain" reference may come from the demo copy of GramSlam that is floating around. The demo is fully functional, but has a 10- second delay after each action (very frustrating to use). I've wanted to break into the UK market for some time, since GramSlam is clearly an English-language program. I don't have a British distributor. Any suggestions? I'm wondering now if I would have to combat a PD or shareware image. Any advice? - Phil ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 270 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:23 EDT I remember some company, I think called HighSoft that distributes SW in the UK. You might want to talk to them, Hmm I wonder if anyone has the phone number handy ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 271 Fri Jun 07, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 00:38 EDT Phil, I have advice: don't break into the UK market the way I have... ;-} ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 272 Fri Jun 07, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:03 EDT Phil, send off a fax to the Editor of the Mag clearly indicating that your program is NOT shareware or PD and do it immediately asking them to print that in their next issue. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 273 Fri Jun 07, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 10:17 EDT Clay will remember that I sent a similar FAX to the editor of ST User once, with nary a response. But you have to defend your copyright, Phil. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 274 Fri Jun 07, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 22:21 EDT We carry all the HiSoft products here, and they carry WF and WF II. David Link is the President and a wonderful person. Their phone number is 44-525-718181. Fax is 44-525-713716. Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 275 Sat Jun 08, 1991 P.COMEAU1 [Phil Comeau] at 21:18 EDT Perhaps my problem is not as serious as I thought. I hadn't seen the issue of the mag and was going on hearsay. Turns out the disk with the demo copy of GramSlam is tied for being most-often requested at some PD-disk mailorder house. Lauren: thanks for the numbers. In the past, I have contacted distributors by sending them a sample copy. Do you have an address for HiSoft? A more general question: Is there a collection of distributors' addresses somewhere? Dorothy: How did or didn't you break into the UK? ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 276 Sat Jun 08, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 22:26 EDT Phil, I haven't yet, though there are still possibilities. I hope to have better advice on this topic shortly. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 277 Mon Jun 10, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 15:41 EDT ATTENTION: A German publisher has been recommended to me as a potential distributor for my products. The name is Applications Systems Heidelberg. Does anybody know anything about this company? It seems to me that a company with a similar name produces Signum...If this is the same one, I'm afraid it's another deadend, as I would much prefer representation by someone in the field of children's software. <sigh> In a related matter, can anybody recommend a plain-old _distributor_ in Germany? You know, the middleman who doesn't publish but just markets your products to dealers? I think I could make do with that. Any help (preferably fast) will be appreciated. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 278 Mon Jun 10, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 21:22 EDT You are correct re: ASH. They are also the people that did Imagic and quite a few other excellent products and are capable of representing you in a professional manner. They also speak fluent English. :-) I know, you speak German but it does make it easier sometimes. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 279 Tue Jun 11, 1991 HISOFT at 13:38 EDT Our address is HiSoft The Old School Greenfield Bedford MK45 5DE ENGLAND Phone: +44 525 718181 Fax: +44 525 713716 Also we are on BIX as well as here on GEnie (both as hisoft). Alex Kiernan, HiSoft ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 280 Tue Jun 11, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 20:26 EDT Yeah, Dorothy, I remember that fiasco with ST User. Ah, the good old days. <GRIN> ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 282 Tue Jun 11, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:44 EDT Alex... I haven't yet had a chance to translate any of my software, but would like to start hitting the European and Canadian markets. Would you, or would you know of someone, who would be willing to represent Missionware Software in England? All I've got so far is the lottery program and the printer utility. If interested, let me know, either here or via email. I could send either demos or production copies of both programs to you for evaluation. John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 283 Wed Jun 12, 1991 JLS [John STanley] at 08:34 EDT Phil, if you have a lawyer, I'd have him fire off a note ASAP to that UK magazine requesting/demanding a retraction. It won't undo the damage, but not doing it could leave you in a blurry legal zone copyright wise.... Also, if you handle it just right, you might get a bit of leverage for the next time you want a new product announcement or review in the UK... ... JLS ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 284 Wed Jun 12, 1991 NEVIN-S at 17:31 EDT PLEASE READ +++++++++++ Hello folks. I spoke with John Morales today (for those who don't know, he is the NY Atari rep and a big MIDI guy). John is slowly bringing J&R Music World back into the Atari camp. J&R is a huge NY store and they have just renovated their computer department. They sell Macintosh, IBM, Atari, Amiga, Toshiba, QMS, etc. Not just junk but quality products. They used to do a TON of Atari business but now do about 1/4 of what they used to. John is trying to change that. They now have Atari systems on the main floor, right next to Mac systems. The Atari system has demos running on it. This week they have a Mega STe in the window. They recently sold 6 Mega STe's in one day. They have the capacity and the sales staff to move a TON of hardware. Their software selection stinks. Basically, it is WPerfect and about 30 games. John spoke with the head software guy who explained that they got stuck with tons of things like Zoomracks I and are very wary of stocking too many titles. But WPerfect does sell and they are willing to stock more titles. But they will stock on consignment only. This means that if you want to participate, John is going to arrange it so you can send up to 5 pieces of software and a bill. They will either sell the software and pay you (they pay on time) or they will return it to you. John is going to work out a time frame for this (1 month in stock, 2 months, whatever). From my end, I will be putting together a 3 ring binder with those see-through sheets which will contain whatever product info you care to send me. You may send as many sheets as you wish (it will be a thick binder <grin>). Press releases, sample printouts, whatever. As long as it is 8.5 x 11. More on this next week. How many of you (besides me) are interested? J&R is a quality store and they have the capacity to do a TON of Atari business. I think that it is in people's best interest to take a chance on these consignment sales. There's little to lose, and potentially a lot of sales of our sofware is possible. John and I will also most likely do a training session with their staff showing them each product that is sent to J&R. That's it. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 286 Wed Jun 12, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 20:01 EDT J&R has been out of stock on the car stereo I ordered for three weeks. I am pissed. Well, it isn't their fault. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 288 Wed Jun 12, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 22:14 EDT Hey, any dealer in this area is better than none. I don't know of a single Atari dealer in New Jersey, but I've been aware of J&R for some number of years. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 289 Wed Jun 12, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 23:24 EDT Dorothy: Sorry to hear that you've had continued troubles with the U.K. folk. Sixty bucks sure is a lot for a _any_ program, unless it's a full-fledged application of some type. Ah, well, I'm sure the rest of us are busy taking notes, so we can avoid the same hassles. Still, I'm dying to know what the ST USER review said. I'd write them a letter, but I'll be darned if I can find the address anywhere. I know I have it. Does this mean it's time to clean my office? :-) Nevin: Is this place interested in any type of Atari product? Or mostly music stuff? In other words, do you think they'd be interested in C-MANSHIP COMPLETE? I'm definitely interested in your offer. And thanks for putting this together. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 290 Thu Jun 13, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 02:38 EDT I too would be very interested. I'll have to re-read that message to figure out what to do, 160 darned GFA messages just overfilled my drive... ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 291 Thu Jun 13, 1991 NEVIN-S at 08:45 EDT Despite the names, J&R Music World's computer section has NOTHING to do with music. They sell Macintoshes, PC's, Amigas, STs, QMS printers, HP, Toshiba, everything. They also have a large software section, which has a SoftSource- like system where you type in what you want and it shows you the programs that fit the criteria (with up to 4 screens of product info per product). The "SoftSource" system is PC/Mac only, _for now_. I have no idea what type of software they will accept for consignment, or if they will take a book. I think they will be pretty open about it. One consideration is space since the Atari software section is not huge. Finally, they do have VERY low prices on HWare (Mega Ste4/50 for $1350 or so). But they have a real store, with a real display floor, lots of in-store sales (not just mail order) and a corporate sales staff. Other dealers may not like J&R's prices, but hey, this is a free country. More in the coming week or so. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 294 Thu Jun 13, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:19 EDT The last time I was in J & R, granted a year ago, they had an Atari workstation set up on a desk. They had NO ONE that could answer anything about the Atari though. Not one single member of their staff knew anything re: Atari. So, based on your posts, you are telling me that this has changed? ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 295 Thu Jun 13, 1991 NEVIN-S at 11:25 EDT Nathan, they have completely renovated their area, and now have 3 ST's on the floor, and a Mega STe in the window. I am not sure about their knowledge of the product, but that is something that John Morales is trying to change. Darlah, I understand what you are saying. I would never do anything like offer J&R preferential pricing. They would always get the exact price that I sell to other dealers. Actually, places like Joppa and Rising Star sell my program so close to their cost that I can not imagine J&R selling T/ST for less. As far as J&R killing other dealers...well I do not think that is true. Here in NY there are 2 other ST dealers (besides Manny's, a music store) that both sell software at list price. They sell at a slow pace but that is the choice they make, and they have stayed in business (the Atari side of each store is probably less than 10%). Yesterday I spoke with an east coast store owner who had a TT and could not sell it, and has 4 Mega STe's and has not been able to sell one. This guy did not mention J&R or any other low price competitor, he just said they weren't moving. As a developer, as long as I treat my customers the same (by offering the same price to all dealers) then I am not hurting anyone. J&R can move a LOT of product, and with the Atari market the way it is I don't see how anyone can turn down potential sales. --Nevin Really, I think that good dealers will not get hurt by J&R. Here is an example using my product. If J&R carries it they will probably sell it for under $50. Manny's, the NYC music store that carries Atari stuff, sells it for $65. They sell about 4 a month. I would bet $500 that they will CONTINUE to sell 4 a month at $65, no matter how many J&R sells at $47 or whatever. (Of course, both stores will pay me the same amount per copy). All products--not just computer products--can be found at many different price levels and there is room for all types of dealers... ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 296 Thu Jun 13, 1991 P.COMEAU1 [Phil Comeau] at 21:12 EDT Dorothy: For what it's worth, Megamax (the Laser C people) call themselves "Applications Systems Dallas." They market Script and Sketch (and Signum?) in NA. Beats me how this little tidbit would be useful to you, but one never knows. Alex: Thanks for the address. I'll send a sample of my wares to Hisoft. JLS: It's not as serious as I first thought. The thing that won the award was actually the disk containing the freely available demo version of GramSlam. I haven't seen the mag, but I've been told it's clear the article refers to the demo. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 297 Thu Jun 13, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:32 EDT Nevin... I'm interested...awaiting details as they become available... John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 298 Thu Jun 13, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 23:22 EDT Megamax has an arrangement with Heidelberg in that they represent Megamax in Germany. However, when I tried to get Imagic from them they were not interested in importing it. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 300 Fri Jun 14, 1991 ICDINC at 09:09 EDT A.S.H. has a huge cult following in Germany due to their "avante garde" advertising and art. Maybe that is why they were recommended. - TOM - ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 302 Fri Jun 14, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 11:57 EDT Beware of strangers bearing punch Dot ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 303 Fri Jun 14, 1991 HISOFT at 13:26 EDT Clayton, we don't have a spare copy of this particular issue, but here is the text. All mistakes (spelling wise) are probably due to the OCR software - this is completely unspell-checked (although the Ansii *is* the authors mistake - ANSI as in ASCII, I think not...). Alex K. "Most material for this book first appeared over about four years in Clayton Walnum's magazine column of the same name. Because of these origins it has more of a conversational/tutorial approach to teaching C than found in conventional textbooks. First impressions weren't great, but as I got further into the text my opinion of the book as a whole changed, but that of the early chapters didn't. The first nine chapters - about a third of the book - are devoted to introducing the lan-guage itself. The basic facilities - variables, loops, flow control mechanisms, arrays, pointers, structures and so on - are well enough explained, but an awful lot of important things didn't seem to be said. Niggles revolved around matters of style, for example the presence of 1/0 dependent routines, such as printf(), scattered throughout the examples instead of being isolated, frequent use of variables that had been given abreviated names and so on. Others worries, such as the use of getchar() routine with char instead of int variables are relatively minor. More serious is the fact that Ansii C doesn't get any coverage at all, and the important new style function declarations, function pro totypes and other Ansii C goodies which C programmers should be usi ng nowadays aren't mentioned. Although you will learn about C, it isn't an in-depth introduction to the language. The early chapters seem suitable for someone wanting to learn enough of the language to get by without worrying about developing a more detailed understanding. From chapter 10 things improve dramatically. The book concentrates far more on Gem than on C and here the tutorial approach really works well. Chapter 10 itself provides a general introduction to Gem and VDI and this is followed by sections which look at VDI text functions, alert boxes, file selectors, object trees, dialog boxes, menu bars, windows and many other Gem topics. The emphasis is on using what you've learnt about C to get into Gem programming on the ST. There are plenty of useful examples, including a Degas picture viewer, some clock/calender programming, a tutorial on creating desk accessories and even some simple animation techniques. To end, there are five chapters devoted to the development of a complete Gem applicabons program. Overall, this is not a particularly good C book, but certainly is a useful doorway into the world of Gem programming on the ST. It's available either with or without accompanying disks, but in view of the size of the Gem example programs the disks are recommended - you'll save yourself hours of typing." ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 304 Fri Jun 14, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 14:13 EDT Dorothy, App lication Systems is a great choice if they'll take your products. They are part of the big 3 including, DMC and 3K ComputerBild (our partners). They have a wide range of products at the high and low end and may be interested in educational software. A distributor is really not the preferred way in Germany. On a separate topic, I am meeting with a woman who is the new Atari Iceland. She would like to carry our products and asked me about others. I mentioned your software and she is very interested. Can you please call me about this or send samples of your prog rams as I only have one program, Kidprg, and it is probably an old version. There are 3,000 Atari computers to 10,000 Macs in Iceland. The prior distributor went bankrupt so it has been unrepresented for almost two years. Probably a very small market but may be of interest. After the meeting next week, I'll post all the details so that anyone can contact her if interested. Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 305 Fri Jun 14, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 22:49 EDT Thanks, Alex! Not exactly a glowing review, but I supppose fair enough. I sure appreciate your doing all that typing. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 306 Sun Jun 16, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 17:28 EDT Nevin, Glad to hear it! Sorry but that wouldnt work for me with my costs. I am starting to hear more and more stories of atari computers selling. Am I dreaming? This seems to be the MegaSTe mostly. What have the rest of you heard? ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 307 Sun Jun 16, 1991 NEVIN-S at 23:39 EDT Jay, did you mean to say that you heard that more and more Ataris are being sold? No, I have not heard that. Definitely not. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 309 Mon Jun 17, 1991 HISOFT at 13:35 EDT Typing? You're joking right? The text was OCR'd straight out of the magazine by OmniPage on the Mac. Took it about 20s, and as you can see more-or-less perfect, also no teaching it fonts or any of that nonsense. Alex Kiernan, HiSoft. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 310 Mon Jun 17, 1991 NEVIN-S at 15:59 EDT So when do you folks bring OmniPage over to the ST?? <grin> --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 311 Mon Jun 17, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 22:36 EDT From now on we'll call him "20th Century Alex" ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 312 Mon Jun 17, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 23:21 EDT More Ataris being sold? In the US? That sure doesn't agree with what I've been hearing and seeing. - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 313 Wed Jun 19, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG 1 [CodeHead] at 12:09 EDT Perhaps that "more and more Ataris sold" means in relation to, say, the first quarter of '91. Let's see, if there were 40 STs sold nationwide in the first quarter, and 60 sold in the second quarter, I guess you could say that more and more are being sold. Just think, maybe 2 or 3 three of those new users might buy our software. Oops, sorry, gotta go...there's the phone now. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 314 Wed Jun 19, 1991 HISOFT at 13:20 EDT I wish it was ours to port, we're just users (but happy ones :-) Alex. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 315 Thu Jun 20, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:20 EDT I've been contacted by Mike (oh darn I have to spell it) Scheutz, who mentions he distributes Codehead stuff and something else too... Any comments re a potential distributor to consider ? Charles, John, any information? Thanks, - George. ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 317 Thu Jun 20, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 16:49 EDT Hey if you have info contrary lets hear it? Pacific is back ordered? My guys that deal machines are scurrying around to get them. Is it a shortage? Or sales? I also understand that new software from our friends at Lex are selling off quite well. "Ouch" <-Lee Siler smacking Jay. "What did I say? Never mind." ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 319 Thu Jun 20, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 21:19 EDT George, So far, our dealings with Michael Schuetz and his company (Artifex) have been quite good. Our products are just starting to be distributed in Germany now; in fact, I'm finishing up German translations of HotWire and MultiDesk this week. - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 320 Fri Jun 21, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 01:58 EDT Charles, you've learned German? Wow. PS - I thought that Darek was an IAAD member, as of a few months ago? Or not? ------------ | Category 75, Topic 15 Message 322 Fri Jun 21, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:10 EDT The July/August issue of PD Journal hit my desk yesterday. In it is a review of Codekeys. Now if I could only read it. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 324 Fri Jun 21, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 18:50 EDT Sorry Dorothy, you are correct, page 86. Sigh, I can't read it. ------------ Category 75, Top ic 15 Message 325 Fri Jun 21, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 20:08 EDT Nathan, there was supposed to be a review of KAOS in that issue, was there? If so, fax me a copy pleeeeeease? ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 326 Fri Jun 21, 1991 C.DAYMON at 21:53 EDT I guess this is a bit out of place, but it's interesting. Bob picked un an issue of Atari ST User at the Vancouver show. On the disk was a copy of Neochrome Master. This is an enhanced (hacked) version of Neochrome, I think by Chaos. When the program starts up, there is a scrolling banner at the bottom of the screen that tells about the release of Neochrome Master at the Dusseldorf show last year and who was responsible for modifying Neochrome. After quite some time, the banner tells how Dave Staugus wrote Neochrome and because everyone thought it was PD, he didn't make much money off it. (And I thought he was working for Atari at the time?) Well, it goes on to say that if you use it often, you should send Dave money, giving the Atari address and stating attn: Dave Staugus. Executing any function or mouse movement aborts the banner, so I doubt many people read it that long, but it was surprising to see such a program on a magazine disk. After all, did Atari give these hackers permission to modify and distribute this hacked version? Feel free to move this wherever appropriate, but I thought I'd toss it here following the comments on PD Journal. -Craig ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 327 Sat Jun 22, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 00:17 EDT Criag: On that other network where I rule the roost, we've had to turn down that program (the hacked Neochrome) twice from people who uploaded it into the databases. I have no idea what the real story on it is, but, as far as I know, Atari U.S. does not consider it shareware or public domain. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 329 Sat Jun 22, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 11:03 EDT Craig, perhaps you might ask Bob Brodie what is Atari's official position on it and share that info with us please. And Clay, I cannot resist this. :-) Last night I went on Delphi and did a DIR NEW. There were 21 new messages since my last visit and 11 of those were from LLOYD ohmygod, I said and ran screaming from the room. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 330 Sun Jun 23, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 02:17 EDT Nathan: Yeah, Lloyd sure does keep things busy. :-) ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 331 Sun Jun 23, 1991 C.WALTERS1 [Chet] at 20:46 EDT This is late since I've been gone, but J&R is a great place. Nice to see someone paying attention to their computer rooms in "Atari mode." There are no dealers worth mentioning East of the big muddy. Really. We have none worth mentioning. All of the "dealers" east are already mail order and do it that way to survive. I'll probably get in real trouble saying this, but chaining your dinghy to a sinking (and largely non-existant) dealer network is inviting doom. Atari maimed them so badly over the years that holding on to your products because a dealer is largely mail order is turning away business. It's cold hearted, but that's the way it is. Cut them loose. I've no desire to keep my stuff off the shelves of dealers who are selling at low prices but often to please a few near death dealers who sell at high prices but few. Whoever sells my stuff besides me makes me just as much whether it's discounted to unrealistic price frames or premium. Recall that I once raised holy hell about Joppa and Sav_On being whorehouses for certain. However, with the help of Nevin's Tracker and a nice report or two a month, if it weren't for Joppa, Rising Star, Sav-On and any other whorehouse you'd care to mention, I'd be back in the factory working on crutches to buy shoes for the kids. Of course, my wife tells me I'm too damned realistic anyway ;) Keep us informed about J&R, Nevin. Hell, introduce them to Pacific! <RETURN>, <S >croll, <Q>uit ? ______Chet at \/\/iz\/\/orks! ;^{) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 332 Sun Jun 23, 1991 NEVIN-S at 21:44 EDT Chet, I agree with you about the importance (to my business) of the mail order houses. Without them I would be beyond dead. There are about 6 regular stores (IB Computers, Megabyte, Computer Studio and a few more) who sell Tracker/ST regularly and the rest is ALL from mail order...and at a much higher quantity. I look forward to getting my program into J&R Computer World (their new name for their bigger location) and will keep you informed. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 333 Sun Jun 23, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kid prgs] at 22:00 EDT Nevin, forgot to call you. How do we set up an on-consignment sale with J&R? ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 335 Mon Jun 24, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:37 EDT Lloyd has a company that sells and installs indoor-outdoor carpeting. I leave the rest to your imagination. I picked up a copy of a give-away magazine called "Microtimes" which is of substantial size and distribution in California. They dropped Atari coverage long ago. In an article on how to pick your computer, they describe PCs, Macs and Amigas....Atari doesn't exist. What is particularly irksome about this is that Goodman Music has a prominent, full-page ad featuring Megas and STacies, while on advertiser has a half-page on Amigas near the back. Time for an "angry letter to the editor" from Floyd R. Turbot, I think. Floyd R. Turbot <angry> ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 336 Mon Jun 24, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:32 EDT Don't talk about it Norm, do it. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 337 Mon Jun 24, 1991 NEVIN-S at 10:51 EDT I'm still talking with John Morales about how we will set up the thing with J&R Computer World. I'll keep folks informed here so they can join in or not join in as they see fit. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 15 Message 338 Tue Jun 25, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 00 :43 EDT Darlah: I doubt I know any more about Lloyd than you do. I assume he works full time. Or maybe he's rich? <G> I sure don't know where he gets the time for all his on-line activities. ---Clay ------------ ************ Topic 16 Sat May 12, 1990 DOUG.W (Forwarded) Sub: Dealing with Atari As the topic header reads..........dealing with Atari. 641 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 534 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 20:38 EDT lauren, Slavik told me that WFII works with our new driver. He seemed quite happy about it. I didnt know it didnt work. Anyhow thats the good news. The Bad news is that Lee indeed has trouble with Genie. Hell I did too! Us Ex- Ci$ers arent awfully smart you know. Anyhow I understand that his phone lines are on fire and he is busy attempting to box up as much of his Phase 4 stuff as he can. All of which I might add looks great on the Isac or AlberTT. On this same note he has asked me to pick up the work on his 24 bit Video Vegatation card. Anyone with suggestions please speak now of forever keep your yap shut <grin>. It looks like another rush-o-matic at the last minute job. Which I am always happy to get. I just love those ground zero experiences. This 24 bit "format" could be a very interesting topic. What shall we do about it? GIF only supports 256 and using IFF 24 when then Amiga is not REALLY done yet is too weird. I tried to listen to B. Rehbock tell me what is was supposed to be but... It sounded very very strange. Since they don't have anything 24 bit yet should I care? Ok I lost track of the subject. Lee probably won't be in the IAAD. And since I am only a partner in crime with Lee I can't represent him. Best thing to do (I suspect) is wait until he gets above the water on orders and I will try to get him interested again. BUT I might be able to get Robert Birmingham (or Robert Birmingham Pezz) as he likes to be called into IAAD. And since he is the man behind PRISM PAINT that might be just as good eh? ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 535 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:31 EDT Well, I hope Lee changes his mind, we'd both benefit from his participation in the group. You should really look into how the SUN handles non-24bit images on thier 24bit displays. They do some stuff to make it transparent, at least to veiw things. Maybe it's time to dump the pixel interleaving and drag Atari into the 90's...preferably kicking and screaming. So just make it Mac compatible 24bit ;-) Be a trend setter Jay...like Frank say's...do it your way. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 537 Fri Jun 07, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:05 ED T Lee has offically requested admission into the IAAD. :-) I responded with some helpful GEnie info and the usual stuff and am waiting to hear back from him. Jay, might I suggest you become conversant with the planned, soon to be released, 24 bit color board from Cybercube. And by the end of this summer there will be in fact quite a few programs that will use 24 bit color. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 538 Sat Jun 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 03:11 EDT From the looks of the Cybercube stuff, and the size of the market, I don't see the point behind multiple choices. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 539 Sat Jun 08, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 03:57 EDT You should see the plans >I< have for 24-bit colour by the end of the year (if these boards do show up, of course :-) ). Multimedia, here I come.... ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 540 Wed Jun 12, 1991 DAVESMALL at 02:01 EDT Oh, I think 24-bit color will show up.\ -- grin, Dave / Gadgets ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 541 Wed Jun 12, 1991 JLS [John STanley] at 08:35 EDT Jay, what's a "Video Vegatation card"? ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 542 Sun Jun 16, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 17:36 EDT Oh there WILL be a 24 bit card. Don't doubt it for a second. And it won't cost a mint. Or be limited to the new machines. Hows this for memory scheme. bytes (Red)(Grn)(Blu)(Reserved for future bs) Atari "says" come up with whatever you want we don't have a standard. I believe that this scheme is similar to the Mac? DAVESMALL? I was planning to do it in colour planes but it was slower to write and had more parts. The output will be TV type video OR RGD/H/V that will work with junk-o monitors. JLS, Veg out Video was part of a song (If I remember right) and was the insiders name for AlberTT graphics card. Lets get more talk on this 24 bit thing. If anyone has a comment one way or the other PLEASE speak (or squeak) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 543 Sun Jun 16, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 20:37 EDT Jay, I'm not sure of the color order, but the Chromax has (Red)(Grn)(Blu)(Overlay) for it's 24 bit mode. I believe that this is the standard for the Mac also. Can you imagine the time to write 32 separate bit planes? Yuck! George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 544 Tue Jun 18, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:19 EDT No, George, 32 bit planes would be a bit much. But eight bit planes isn't that much and it's easy to convert to byte per pixel. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 545 Tue Jun 18, 1991 L.SEILER at 06:52 EDT Hi I got kicked out while looking in my word speller... so much for spell checking.... As I was commenting I am indeed pissed at rehbock so far he has been helpfull, but he has also lied to me and others and placed my company in a bad position on several occasions. I should say Thai I am not a long time developer......in fact I have only been into this for about 20 months now! So I do have a lot to learn. But I also know that there is no place for the sort of thing that has been going on with Rehbock and Mr. Fulton. At this point unless Mr. Rehbock doe not get his act to- geather he is in for big time trouble. Aftere reading for three hours I can see how each of you have come to form your opinions and for the most part I agree, When I first became a developer It was at the insistances Charles Cherry. One thing I liked about charles, who bTW is a stock holder in our corporation and a member of our Board, never said anything or promised Me any thing he was not willing to follow up on. I can't say the same for the current bunch in developer support now. My plans for Lexicor/ and now Dover are based on aspects of the ATARI market that Those at ATARI has no controle over. So far Lexicor has developed a fairily solid sales network in the US, Canada, Germany. I intend to develop my markets and softwa re as independently and apart from ATARI managment as I Can. I found that being independent was very productive in my past Business dealing and Infact allowed me to Retire completely at the Age of 38 back in 1976. Later as I get a bit better at this I would like to discuss some of the problems I have had at ATARI and how destructive I believe it has been for All ATARI developers. BTW while I have had some programming expearance way back when I worked for the School of Engineering UC Berkeley I don't do any of that now. But I do have a fair understanding of the codes we us and the tools we use, so If you guys go a bit easy on the hard core technical side I might be able to follow along. In closing let me comment that I an a butt head when it comes to navigating in this environment, I was always interested I just always ended up in some time waisting endless loop in Genie.... That's it for now... Ops I lied, there is one other thing. If you havent here, Rehbock just blew a wounderful oppertunity for Atari to get nation wide exposure on a new SI-FI cable network??? I left a message on Cis, maby Jay or Nathin will read the coffin nail thred and report it back here. Bye agaion Lee ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 546 Tue Jun 18, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 16:30 EDT By the way, what's the deal with Ralphie's reference to an article about Greg Pratt in a San Diego newspaper? What's the article about? - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 547 Tue Jun 18, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 17:59 EDT Lee, I'm sorry to hear of your experiences with DevSupport. PrismPaint, etal seem to be making good on the potential we all knew was there and giving Atari a good name. I'd've thought they'd be a little more receptive towards you guys. Ahhhh well... I guess I'm just being naive, thinking that they really _want_ to do better. Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 549 Tue Jun 18, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 21:14 EDT Dorothy, I certainly have no inside info on the facts of the lawsuit but knowing Greg a little, I find it hard to believe. He has always been the perfect gentleman and seems to appreciate businesswomen. Perhaps his own minority status has made him more sensitive. Having said that, no woman in her right mind goes through rape or sexual harassment proceedings without cause. I suppose I have opened a can of political worms with the above statements but I am bored stiff of gun arguments.... Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 550 Tue Jun 18, 1991 GRIBNIF [Dan] at 22:23 EDT The article Ralph alluded to alleges that both Atari and Greg Pratt are being sued by a former Atari employee who supposedly became pregnant due to an alleged sexual assault perpetrated by Mr. Pratt. She was subsequently "let go" from the company. (Did I put in enough qualifiers" <smile>) Dan ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 551 Wed Jun 19, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:48 EDT God help him if it's true. But it's noone but their business, wait and see what a court decides. It'd be best if folks would just let it go. The world is screwy place who knows what can happen. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 552 Wed Jun 19, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 01:57 EDT Yow. Amazing stuff. Don't people do the darndest things? Oh well, at this point, even something like this probably won't hurt Atari. What's left to hurt? - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 553 Wed Jun 19, 1991 L.SEILER at 03:07 EDT WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE you all know what I do about the sexual stuff? I don't know any of the people so I will just have to wait and see!!! I spent all day trying to call some of you about something else that is happening. Apparently ATARI passed up a chance to get an ongoing Spot on a new Sattleite/cable network devoted to Science Fiction and the like. This was for a lend lease of some ATARI HWD. Aparently B. Rehbock has so pissed off the network executives that they finally called it quits and sent a letter to Sam complaining about BR. In the mean time they called me and asked if I could help, so I set up a deal for them to get the equipment and promised I would try to find some developer support. So heres the deal, any ATARI developer or Artist who will provide support on a cost basis will get regular exposure by personal name or company name and will be included in a halfhour program ab out ATARI computers, artist and Developers. The new channel has 52,000,000 signed up paying viwers. Contact me for more details and Telephone numbers. Lexicor annd RIO have already Pleged a TT, software, High res color card, monitor and personal services. If these people get their network FCC approved and go on the AIR you get the "FREE" advertising time, if they fail you keep what ever you have done and have the chance to make contacts with many professional TV and FILM types now in the industry. No money is being asked for or expected. I think this is a great oppertunity for ATARI and US. Lee ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 555 Wed Jun 19, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:42 EDT Lee, what telephone number should we all call you at please. I, for one, am definitely interested. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 556 Wed Jun 19, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 13:50 EDT Lee, we are definitely interested. Ditto Nathan or contact us at 257-3510. We are your neighbors. Perhaps I can help with the equipment through Don Mandel. I just got a demo system for a guy in the midwest. Don is much more responsive/responsible than Bill. Let me know if you want my help, Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 <RETURN >, <S>croll, <Q>uit ?Message 557 Wed Jun 19, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 16:37 EDT I've done some checking regarding Lee's exciting post and I thought it best to share this info with all our members before we read about it in Ralphs rag. Ralph has already been implying that the IAAD is taking on Atari over this Sci Fi Network issue which is typical Ralph, create the news whenever possible. The facts are that Tullamore Inc. is owned by Michael Kelly. I have been told that Michael is a personal friend of Lee's. Lee can fill us in on this aspect. I have also been told that the SFA (Sci-Fi) Network does not legally exist at this time (again, this is second hand from a telephone call I received today) and I imagine that Lee has more info on this as well. I also understand that Tullamore has made some amazing promises regarding the representation of the Atari equipment and software, including a regular half hour show on Atari which would be utterly fantastic if it comes to be. So Lee, please share the whole story with us as you understand it giving us enough information to understand the true picture. There are very few stupid people in the IAAD :-) and we love the concept but I for one, do not appreciate partial info that does not tell the entire story. The fact is that if the info I received is correct, there is not 55 million subscribers, in fact, there are zero subscribers at this time. Is this correct? Remember, even the potential of 55 Million subscribers, hell, make that 5 million :-) would get all of us to send all our stuff if there was the slightest chance of SFA taking off and people actually seeing our product. Lee, make no mistake, I'm excited as hell if this all comes together but I would very appreciate hearing the whole story. Thank you ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 558 Thu Jun 20, 1991 D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 01:52 EDT Lee, you can give me a call at 415-530-9637. I'm also interested. David Beckemeyer Beckemeyer Development ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 559 Thu Jun 20, 1991 JLS [John STanley] at 02:55 EDT Lee, What kind of ST/TT support does the SCI-FI cable network need? I've seen demo tapes of theirs at various science fiction conferences and they look like they've really got their act together. ... JLS ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 560 Thu Jun 20, 1991 L.SEILER at 05:14 EDT OK FOLKS, As requested by Nathin here is all the infor I have. I was contacted by a promoter named Mike Kelley last Jan about our software (I mean Lexicor)) durring that conversation Mr. Kelley explained that he was putting to geather a new satilite/cable network. He was using the same method I used to put his deal togeather. This consist of convincing investors to pledge money which they will provide if I could get the developer to sign a contract for service. I got the contractors to agree that if I could get the investors to sign comitments they would do the work. This is what Mr. Kelley is doing. At the moment He has "seed money" which the investors have paid him. His job now is to get all the bits and pices togeather and get all the parties to agree to do what needs to be done. That is why he is not throwing money at ATARI. I did some checking my self. It happens that through my past work and business interest I know some of the people he has named as suporters. And so far he has not lied about a single claim. I checked through a friend at Viacom and they have infact signed a one month commit ment to run his programming. I have also talked to some contacts at StarLog magazine and they also have signed the same kind of comitment. I have two friends at Lucas film and one at 20th Century Fox and they also confirmed that Mr. Kelly has been nogociating for films, on camera interviews to be hosted by Walter Konige who played "Checkov" on Starlog. So I would say that up to this point Mr. Kelley is quite lagit in what he is trying to build. Of course the whole thing could fall to pices at any time, and that is the risk here. But remember that we are not talking about any one in the IAAD fronting Money. We would be offering first our experance in applying on a practical level the use of the ATARI, Next we would be offering possible creative resources in the form of our own contacts and creative input to ATARI oriented uses for on camera applications. Bear in mind that at start up this company is going to be hard pressed for original material, and untill they get settled in we will have a chance to be their first. and thats our oppertunity. The other and possibily more important reason for publicly supporting this guy is it is a chance for the IAAD to demonstrate that it is an effective body of developers and that we can and will do things for the ATARI community that ATARI won't. If We do follow through with this even if ATARI does come around it will be a black eye for ATARI, We will also have taken or established an empowered base which will make our voice here at ATARI. We won't have had to place ourselves in an advorsary position with AATARI or any one at ATARI and even if Mr. Kelley falls flat on his face we will have benifited from the situation and all of you will have had an oppertunity to widen your own contacts and potential to expose your various products and services to a wider world. OK any one who wants to contact Mr. Kelly direct here is the # 1-512-440- 1092. He will send you material and is most will ing to listen to ideas. remember it is up to us to convince him and his associates that our stuff will be of use to him and his audiance. Lee ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 561 Thu Jun 20, 1991 L.SEILER at 05:21 EDT Nathin, No matter what I think some one should anounce on Compuserve that IAAD will also be supporting SFAN and will keep the ATARI forum posted on the progress and high lights. Also I know that Mr. Kelley is going to make ATARI stew for a while befor responding to any approach they make to save face over Rehbocks blundering responce on Monday. I have a copy of the Letter SFAN sent to Sam Tramiel so any one with a Fax who wants a copy just buzz me a note with your fax number and I will send you a copy...415-453-0533... What happend to SFAN is much the same as has happned to me and why I am not much impressed by Bill so far. By for now Lee ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 562 Thu Jun 20, 1991 L.SEILER at 06:27 EDT Last note on the SFan, I am not a friend of Mr. Kelley. I have had maby half a dozen telephone conversations with him about ATARI applications so please don't think I am promoting him or his project. I am not I just think that how ever thin his project is it is a very good oppertunity for My company in a no lose deal. BTW my office # is AC 415-453-0271....I am here from about 9:30 am to about 3:00am....no mistake....I put in a lot of time here. Have fun all bye ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 563 Thu Jun 20, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:23 EDT Thanks for the information Lee. I will send you a buzz as I am interested in reading whatever. There has been no decision, for that matter, there hasn't even been a discussion by the majority of IAAD members in reference to the Sci Fi channel. So it would be premature to suggest that the IAAD will be supporting SFAN anywhere at all at this point in time. Individual members such as myself who are interested in hearing more from Mr. Kelley is one thing, but we do not make unilateral decisions for the entire IAAD membership. Lee has rasied a good point and a possible golden opportunity. Personally I remain cynical (I guess that comes from to many years associated with Atari :- ) but there may be possibilities. I will call and see what I can learn. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on this everyone. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 565 Thu Jun 20, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 12:40 EDT Lee, I'd like to see that letter from SFAN to Atari. Could you please fax it to the CodeHead office at (213) 386-5789. - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 566 Thu Jun 20, 1991 NEVIN-S at 13:47 EDT Lee, could you also fax that letter to me at 212-924-4915? Make sure to include on the cover sheet "FOR NEVIN SHALIT" in big letters as this is a group fax used by a few people. Thanks..! --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 567 Thu Jun 20, 1991 ICDINC at 13:51 EDT Ditto Lee, I would also like to see that letter. Our FAX is 815-968-6888. Attn: Tom Harker - TOM - BTW And welcome to the IAAD. ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 568 Thu Jun 20, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 15:30 EDT Me too: fax : 415/454-8106 Attn Lauren Thanks ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 569 Thu Jun 20, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 16:58 EDT Hey forget that stuff. Just get me an autograph of Checkov! Didn't he have the worlds greatest scream "KeitTen Kirk! Ayiiiieeeee!!!!!' ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 570 Thu Jun 20, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 20:47 EDT Lee, I tried calling your number a few times today but was unable to get through. I hope this means you are selling lots of product. :-) Please fax me the info as well (416) 479-1882. Thank you. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 571 Thu Jun 20, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 23:38 EDT Hey, Tom, I want to see that, too. So send it ATTN: Tom Harker, Craig S. Thom, and/or Doug Wheeler. ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 572 Fri Jun 21, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 01:58 EDT I won't ask for the fax, but anybody tell me if there's anything juicy in there.... thanks :-) (My fax machine is too public for such stuff). I'm also interested in this idea/topic, but I'm not quite sure what my contribution (especially from Canada) could be. But I'm interested! -- George. ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 573 Fri Jun 21, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 02:26 EDT I don't exactly understand what they want to use the Atari's for. Would they have a need for programming, or existing product support? More directly, would they concievably have any need for music related programming/products, or music production? (I'd rather feel this out here than call Mr. Kelly in an air of uncertainty). :) ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 574 Fri Jun 21, 1991 L.SEILER at 04:28 EDT YOU ALL Just wan't me to be here all the time, but I guess that I brought it on my self. I am sheptial my self, but see a positive oppertunity for my own company and very little down side at this point. So... I will Fax the letter off today..Friday.. untill you all have copies. Next of course it is up to all of you as to the question of Our groupe action, I vote for what ever the majority wan'ts to do. D.A I thought of answering your question last night but just got so long I forgot. I think your Kid programs may be the most visually impressive in so far as a subject for the cable show. I would think an hour showing the ATARI, your programs and kids using both in their creative furver is a perfect vehicle (?) for ATARI,You and the cable people. And By the way What do you think of this IDEA? "Chronos for Kids" A 3d2 montion controle program for kids? it could be a stripped down version with basic functions and pre made objects that could be used in 1 meg machines??? Just a thought. Finally I agree that we all need to be caushious about support but remember that the oppertunity will be limited and only available untill SFan gives up intirely or ATARI gets their act togeather and rushes in with over Kill, in which case we as individual companies may not have the same leverage we have at this moment. Just another thought, I don't have any special insight, knowledge or facts, just my intuishion(?) Bye for now. Nathion I will try to call you can also call in to my Fax and just talk over the answer buzz I will here it and pick up the fax phone. That # is 415-453- 0533. Lee ------------ Category 75, Topic 16 Message 575 Fri Jun 21, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 05:41 EDT I am still not clear what Mr. Lee and Mr.Kelly need from us poor developers. What is it that we can do for a cable television show? My imagination is on vacation right now. Paul Wu ------------

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