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Category 75, Topic 7 Message 365 Wed Jun 19, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:16 EDT Dr. Bob: I was just joking around. But I think the PNAS people did a okay job, afterall, it was their first show. Lauren: I just recieved the show package for the Chicago show today. It looks like a very well-planed show. Maybe you should check it out. Folks: I just saw a full page ad in the Computer Reseller News. This ad was by ran a distributor called ALMO Distributing. In the ad was a picture of the Atari Mega STE4 and it occupied more ad space than the adjacent Leading edge computer and Facit printer.It alsos states in the ad that Almo carries the Atari Palmsize Portfolio computer. There is also another smaller distributor whose name escapes me at this moment. Their advertisement also mentioned Atari computers. It seems to me that Atari is getting more distribution but the question is if they plan to support it with more main stream advertising. _Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 366 Wed Jun 19, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:40 EDT Paul, please accept my apology. I literally forgot to stop by and say hello. (sigh) Lauren, what have you heard about Atari's participation in the Seyboldt show? Not talk but commitment. Just wondering out loud. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 367 Wed Jun 19, 1991 NEVIN-S at 12:23 EDT When is the Seyboldt show? --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 368 Wed Jun 19, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 13:46 EDT Seybold show is October 1-4. According to Don Mandel, they have reserved a space. I will verify with Seybold. :-) If they don't reserve a space, we will with help from 3K who are committed to the show. Sigh... Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 369 Wed Jun 19, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 14:17 EDT I just sent some rather abrupt email to Brehbock asking about whether or not they have commited to participating. I look forward to hearing from him. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 370 Wed Jun 19, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 23:01 EDT Nathan... You talking about the Chicago show? I too am still trying to get some answers however, being out of town currently on vacation makes it difficult. Again, if and when I hear anything about Atari's committment on the Chicago show I'll let you know. John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 371 Thu Jun 20, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:19 EDT OK, so, nobody else for Blue Ridge? I sorta want to g o and bum a few days away in NC, but I'll never get it past my partner with only 6 other exhibitors :-) So, I'm being selfish about it... -- George. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 372 Thu Jun 20, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 02:40 EDT Hey, these are BIGtime exhibitors, George! I'm going ! And Bob Brodie is going. And Nevin, Nathan, Darlah, and others. Sheesh. It's not a big show, but he let you go to Vancouver, didn't he? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 373 Thu Jun 20, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 05:29 EDT Nathan: I heard that you were up in the Atari section but I didn't see you when I went up there. Oh well, I guess I'll see you in Glendale then, if you are comming. |=^) John: Chicago show IS sponsored by Atari, says right on the booth reservation form. It is scheduled 1 month before Christmas so I expect a big turn out and hopefully a big sell out for the exhibitors. _Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 374 Thu Jun 20, 1991 DOUBLE-CLICK at 21:29 EDT Paul - We called and ALMO doesn't have MSTEs in stock. Probably not until July they said. Looks like the famous Atari Strangle-hold. :-) - mike ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 375 Fri Jun 21, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 05:41 EDT Mike, And I thought Atari finally has its act together this time... July eh, at least they gave an actual date which is better than "very soon now!" Paul ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 376 Fri Jun 21, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 11:01 EDT Paul, Atari will never get their act together. If you hope and expect that they will, you're only setting yourself up to be disappointed. Atari is quite prepared to let every single US developer (except maybe ISD, now that Atari's focusing solely on their "vertical" DTP market) and every single US dealer sink beneath the waves without a trace. To suggest otherwise is to completely ignore history. - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 377 Fri Jun 21, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 18:47 EDT Whoa!! I wouldn't qualify your second sentence in that fashion Charles. :-) You were on a roll and aside from the fact that Atari still takes my telephone calls, and I was maybe in the right place at the right time and have two excellent packages in DynaCADD and Calamus, I doubt I can expect a life perserver from anyone. :-) This is getting out of hand. I remember going nose to nose and spit to spit with LT on more occassions than I care to recall because if you'll remember, Leonard thought Deskset II was the cats meow. Deskset II had an adverse affect on Calamus sales for a very long time because Deskset II was bundled with their hardware. I've just managed to survive is all. Now lets deal with todays reality. The perception of Atari has unbelievably gone downhill. I wouldn't have thought it possible. They have very close to zero product recognition these days. However, they do have a few strengths, the main one being the vertical desktop publishing market. Not only with Calamus, but with Pagestream, Retouche, Outline Art, Cranach Studio, etc etc.. Along with pre-press capability, they really do have a fairly complete offering in this gendre. So take this scenario if you will, I don't care what it takes to sell Atari hardware, as long as it sells. If a customer buys a TT because they love DynaCADD or anything else, thats one more TT out there and one more customer that needs Codekeys or Hotwire or Tracker or Stalker or whatever. Charles, this is all they've got right now. We have both been around this disaster for a very long time. Its long past time for them to concentrate on what they have and capitalize on it. If they do it right, then maybe people will start noticing. In the meantime, vertical is cost-effective and if it works, I'm not going to complain. They ignored these market strengths for 5 years. They still haven't realized the potential of DynaCADD and yes, in response to your cat 18 post (which I'm not going to respond in) :- ) we are doing just fine with DynaCADD on the other platforms, thank you. :-) But as you may have gathered when David posted for his first time ever out of our own cat, he is also an Atari person and not quite as cynical as some of us have become. :-) Please excuse his enthusiasm. He loves his program and he still writes new code on his TT and he would never say anything else out in public. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 378 Fri Jun 21, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 23:17 EDT Paul Wu... Yea...the information sent out *does* say that Atari is sponsoring the show, however, when I attended a LCACE meeting (LCACE is the local group in Chicago that is actually putting on the show) one of their officers told my privately that Atari *had not* signed the contract yet! It was all verbal. Atari was supposed to have signed about the time the info went out to all of us, but then something happened and everything came to a screeching halt. So again, at least as of two weekends ago (and I'm still trying to get a definitive answer from LCACE) the Chicago show contract HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED BY ATARI...no matter wha t the info says! As soon as I hear otherwise I'll post a note! John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 379 Sat Jun 22, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 00:17 EDT John: Even if Atari _had_ signed a contract, I wouldn't trust 'em. But the Chicago show does sound like a biggie. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 381 Mon Jun 24, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 14:25 EDT Atari is still supporting the vertical publishing market. They still believe that their next new machine will save their behind. But by then no one will care unless the vertical markets start to take off. They are still taking our calls and doing what they can to help. It's just that they can do very little at this point. NO cash.... And big daddy won't loosen the purse strings until he sees some improvements. But without inventory or marketing, what kind of improvements are possible? Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 382 Mon Jun 24, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 19:27 EDT He gave the boys a toy and they broke it. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 383 Mon Jun 24, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 21:36 EDT :-) exactly correct. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 384 Mon Jun 24, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 23:46 EDT I just got a message from Dan of the MIST AtariFest III people (this is the Indianapolis show). They still have a little booth space left, so if you want it, tell them. Send GEMail to W.LORING1. The Indy show is being held on Saturday the 27th of July. More info is available in Cat 11 and back many messages in this very Topic. The booths are as cheap as they come: $50! It's a small show, but since all shows seem small these days, so what? ;-) Anyway, even vendors who are not coming are offered the opportunity for an ad in the show program. 1/4=$25, 1/2= $50, Business Card=$10...I think I'll get me a business card ad. You have to submit the ads before July 17. You have to sign up for a booth before July 17, sooner if you really expect to get one. Those of you who live within driving distance of Indy should (in my opinion, of course ;-) really consider this one. If you have to fly, it probably isn't cost-effective, but I could be wrong. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 385 Wed Jun 26, 1991 DAVESMALL at 01:51 EDT I enjoyed the Vancouver show. As usual, I didn't bring anything to sell; I prefer skipping the endless hassles, demoing the product, and letting people mail-order it from us or a distributor. I'm going to be sad when the World Tour Atari Shows end. It's been a lot of fun being "on the road again" with you folks. While that doesn't say it exactly right, I hope you see what I mean. Jeeze, we've been to some wild places, ups and downs, together. I too expect Glendale and WAACE to be slower than last year, and I'm sorry to hear Lauren was sick. The usergroup in Vancouver threw a nice party and sorta exposed me a little to their culture, and I enjoyed that. It's broadening to see how different people live, and Canada really is different than the USA in a hundred subtle ways. No beer in the 7-11's... *chuckle* Sure, we talked to the usual number of weirdos at the show, but big deal. That happens at any show. Most of the people were happy to see us and happy that life was going well. Anywho, back to you, Chet (that dates me!) -- thanks, Dave / Gadgets ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 386 Wed Jun 26, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 03:43 EDT Nathan: From mass market to niche market to vertical market! Atari sure is on a roll - downhill that is. I disagree with your point on any machine sold is better than none. If the market is really that bad, then not even the vertical market will save us developers. After all, how do you survive on selling a few site licenses here and there. Yeah, charge them $1,000 for a D.E.K.A. Wouldn't I love that. Unfortunatley, people who purchase a pre-packaged DTP system is not likely to buy a D.E.K.A. or Codekeys. Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 387 Wed Jun 26, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 08:41 EDT Sorry, I screwed up and did not make myself clear. Let me try this again. The most important market is the masses. Atari MUST ship quantities of 520 ST's or 1040ste's or whatever the current incarnation is. That remains first and foremost. Then they can also concentrate on area where they have strength ie; DTP which is cost effective because its vertical. Here's hoping they do both. (sigh) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 388 Wed Jun 26, 1991 NEVIN-S at 13:20 EDT Nathan, I agree with you 100% that Atari MUST ship quantites of 1040STEs. The question is WHY WON'T THEY? It does boggle my mind. Of course, my mind is easily boggled. <grin> --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 389 Wed Jun 26, 1991 WORDFLAIR [Lauren] at 20:49 EDT They don't ship them because they don't have them because they have no cash because they have no sales because they have no marketing because they have no management because..... ;-) Lauren ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 390 Wed Jun 26, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:15 EDT Well everyone, just got word that Atari has NOT yet signed the contract for the Chicago show. Seems the whole matter is in Jack's hands now. The folks at LCACE are fit to be tied. What they told me was that any developer that sends in the $350 for a booth, will have the money (or actual check???) held in escrow until the entire matter is settled. The money is not going to the hotel or to Atari until everything contractually is settled. Sigh... John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 391 Wed Jun 26, 1991 NEVIN-S at 22:42 EDT I heard this recently as well, and that is why I've not signed up yet. --Nevin ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 392 Thu Jun 27, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:39 EDT I received this today. It is self-explanatory. :-) September 7th 1991: The first ever Connecticut Atarifest sponsored by Computers Etc, F.A.C.E. and S.T.A.R.R. users groups is being held at the Bridgeport Hilton in Bridgeport, CT. Show hours will be 10am to 5pm. This event is also being billed as a Bobfest in honor of Mr. Brodie, the Speaker of Note. John Jainnshig of Atari Explorer and Nevin Shalit of Step Ahead Software will show some of the publishing abilities of the Atari, while several other demonstrations are planned. Atari Corporation's Professional Systems Group will also be on hand demonstrating their exciting new DTP - Direct to Press - equipment. We're working on getting Nathan, of course. Developer costs will run around $150.00 for a skirted 8x10 booth with power. Computers will be on loan from the local users, mostly 1040's - please tell us how many of what type you will need, and of course feel free to bring your own. Please bring your own power strip, or we'll gouge you for $18.00. After the show, there will be refreshments over at the store, and I'll be having a cookout over at my place for the developers. The Bridgeport Hilton is a brand new hotel, 100 yards from both I-95 and the Amtrack Station. Room costs are $49.95 per night, and we're offering free shuttle service from Bridgeport's Sikorsky Airport. Bridgeport itself is located just 45 miles outside of New York City, so we hope to draw on a very large base. This show looks to be a lot of fun. So hop in your car, take a train, take a plane, just be there or be square. For further information contact Brian Gockley at 203-332-1721. **** I have not yet committed to attending this show by the way. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 393 Thu Jun 27, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 23:00 EDT 1) "in Jack's hands now" You mean to tell me that dear ol Leonard doesn't know how to write yet? Nor Sam? Maybe Gary aughta! 2) Is the shuttle service from Sikorsky Airport, a helicopter ride? If so, it'd be worth attending just for the ride ;) (What! You mean they let airplanes land there too? Is nothing sacred.;) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 394 Fri Jun 28, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 00:22 EDT My Gawd! An Atari show in my home state, and I didn't know anything about it! I could attend this sucker for the price of the table and a tank of gas. Now, if I could get _half_ a table, I might even make a profit. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 395 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 01:52 EDT Bridgeport Clay, Bridgeport...the arm pit of Conn. I'd go but I wouldn't be able to find a safe place to park ;-) Doc, "X"'s just won't suffice on contracts anymore ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 396 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.PIERSTORFF [J.PIERSTORFF] at 02:44 EDT Well, Atari DOES have 520STE's now in stock for $279. dealer net. Yes they are identical to the 1040STE except for the nameplate and 2-256K simms installed. Nathan is absolutely right. Atari needs to sell to the masses. Unfortunately, Lauren is right too...(no marketing etc.) Jay Pierstorff ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 397 Fri Jun 28, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 03:57 EDT Of course you're gonna go, Nathan. You'll go anywhere... ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 398 Fri Jun 28, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Pa ul Wu] at 06:09 EDT Just got some quotes from my travel agent on air fairs from LA to Dusseldorf-- $1,120!!!! Flying to Frankfurt will drop it down to about $900 but that is still far more than the $400 fairs some of you guys have mentioned here. I was told that July and August are the peak season so it cost a lot more during this time. Who ever posted the low fairs, I would appreciate it if you can let me in on the secret. :^) Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 399 Fri Jun 28, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 09:21 EDT Paul, while you are recovering from shock, check this out: the room rate at the Ramada Renaissance is 295DM/night, _ex_cluding breakfast. Lessee...295DM X 7 = Whoa, Nellie ! ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 400 Fri Jun 28, 1991 ICDINC at 10:57 EDT Paul, Try another agent. I am booking my ticket today and I will let you know what happe ns. - TOM - ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 401 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 17:39 EDT Yeah Dot, it was only 105DM the last night of the show...then I got the rude awakening looking to reserve for this year. So it's back to the Rhein Residence without A/C. Hopefully it'll be nice weather;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 402 Fri Jun 28, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 20:03 EDT I can't imagine a hotel in Germany not servicing that tasty luncheon meat and soft boiled egg breakfast. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 403 Fri Jun 28, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 20:29 EDT Right! A European hotel _without_ breakfast? They're becoming more American every day ;) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 7 5, Topic 7 Message 404 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 21:10 EDT Hey... Maybe *all* of us developers ought to become dealers as well...then we can pick up some of those cheap 520STE's and sell 'em, along with our software, at the shows! What an idea, eh? <cough cough> Well, it might be *one* way to get computers out there! John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 405 Fri Jun 28, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 21:39 EDT 520STE's ? Geez, and I just bought a 1040 and threw the simms away anyway... ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 406 Fri Jun 28, 1991 C.HARVEY at 22:53 EDT Anyone interested in sharing a booth at the Glendale show? Craig @ Clear Thinking ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 407 Sat Jun 29, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 01:27 EDT J.ALLEN: Well, maybe they'll let us bring our cars in off the street and in behind the booth where we can watch them. <G> Anyway, these days I think New Haven is the true arm pit of CT. They're rapidly becoming the murder capitol of New England. ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 408 Sat Jun 29, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 01:41 EDT Craig Thom... "can't imagine a hotel in Germany not servicing that tasty luncheon meat and soft boiled egg breakfast." Servicing it? Why, is it broken? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 409 Sat Jun 29, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 02:52 EDT You're right Clay, it was New Haven I was thinking of...I was driving down the street looking for a place to get a soda...now I know what turkeys feel like just before thanksgiving ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 410 Sat Jun 29, 1991 CRAIG.S.THOM at 06:27 EDT Yeah, right, "serving". Sometimes my fingers type the strangest words when I am composing on line. Or is that "decomposing"? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 411 Mon Jul 01, 1991 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 14:10 EDT Hmmm Bridgeport....why there? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 412 Wed Jul 10, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 23:09 EDT Anyone that is going to Duesseldorf and is staying at the Ramada Renaissance should heed this message. The "Atari Germany" special rate is much higher than another special deal that Ramada has going. Call 800-272-6232 and ask for international reservations. Ask them for their "Summer Nights" special (I think that's what it's called). This rate is 150DM ($81.98) per night, which is almost half the price of the Atari Germany group rate. You should be able to reserve rooms at this rate and then cancel your other rooms if you've made previous arrangements. I'll expect commission checks on the amount you save from this tip <grin>. Optionally, you can keep me well supplied with various local beers while we're over there. I'll be bringing my funnel. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 413 Thu Jul 11, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:47 EDT You gonna be there the whole show John? Last time you disappeared before any beers could be bought ;-) Julie coming too? ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 414 Thu Jul 11, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 02:20 EDT Nathan: A few messages back, you were going post the result of the possible low cost air fair from your travel agent. Did I missed it? Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 415 Thu Jul 11, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 06:52 EDT Jim, Last year we were laying low, trying to catch some scumballs. This year we'll be laying high, trying to catch some sales! Yeah, the crew will be Charles, Julie, and me. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 7 Message 416 Thu Jul 11, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 10:42 EDT Great John, we need to take a party downtown!!! Raise the town!!! ------------ ************ Topic 9 Mon Oct 22, 1990 ISD [Nathan] (Forwarded) Sub: Confidentiality I have taken this opportunity to start a new topic to discuss a very important subject to us all, the complete confidentiality of category 70. 494 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 487 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 20:08 EDT Wow! First they cancled 30 sothing and now the home shopping network! Thank you GOD!!! Yes I am "vegging out!" ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 488 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:11 EDT Gee I liked Thirty Somthin', they just needed Ricky Richardo and Lucy on board to up the ratings. Hey, I KNOW Jay Leno!!! He used to hang around my neighbors house...they were the "big" kids that never let us play softball with them :-( Now he's taking over the tonight show. I never watch the tonight show. ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 489 Wed Jul 10, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 16:10 EDT It seems that one of the justifications stated by the recipients of our confidential information was that what he received was non-IAAD-related, therefore it was not covered by the non-disclosure agreement. In case there is anyone here who is under the same false impression (our leaker[s] for instance), I think it needs to be spelled out. The confidentiality agreement of the IAAD covers EVERYTHING that is posted in Category 75 and in library 34. This includes EVERYTHING...every byte of ASCII in Cat 75, whether anyone feels that it relates to the IAAD or not. In fact, every message posted here DOES relate to the IAAD by the mere fact that it is posted here, whether any individual decides to interpret its content as IAAD material or not. There is NO gray area about this. Everything is covered. Thank you. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 490 Wed Jul 10, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 16:55 EDT John, further clarification, please: It is my understanding that it is fine for _me_ to divulge what _I_ myself have posted here _as_long _as the content of the to-be-divulged post does not in any way refer to or divulge information provided in 75 by someone else. {Correct? I ask this, because in private GEMail to inquiring friends as to the content of the Category, I have referred only to my own posts. ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 491 Wed Jul 10, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 23:09 EDT Dorothy, Yes, I knew I was leaving something out. I haven't actually checked back to the constitution to see how it is worded, but if it is vague it should be "de- vagued" to remove its ambiguity. Of one thing I am quite certain...the leaked information probably did not contain any posts from the leaker himself. I have a feeling he/she does not post here very much. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 492 Thu Jul 11, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:50 EDT I've been practicing making knooses, nylon rope doesn't work well, real rope is best. I'll have it down pat by the time we're ready for a hanging. ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 493 Fri Jul 12, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:47 EDT Knooses, Jim? You probably call a certain Jewish food...nishes! Didn't Darlah lay down the law about passing on _anything_ on GEnie without various permissions? ------------ Category 75, Topic 9 Message 494 Fri Jul 12, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 04:28 EDT Oh yeah, I've been craving a Can-of-nishes ;-) ------------ ************ Topic 10 Mon Oct 01, 1990 C.WALTERS1 [Chet] (Forwarded) Sub: Technical Discussions Please place Technical Discussions Here! 599 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 573 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 20:19 EDT Jim, and whoever. Isint it STRANGE that they use a 68881 in the TT??? Is this some basackwards sort of compiler hell compatibility kludge? On the ROM code. I have noticed some MAJOR changes in the version numbers of MSTE roms. My first was 2.02 and current machines have 2.50! Beware. I suggest we ask (beg) for Atari to do a BIOS source handbook like the IBM Hardware book has. This would solve for us the problems (or at least explain) them. If we can't get them from Atari what about a IAAD decompiled one. It could be sold of course. If we were to get together the KAOS/DSMALL/GRIBBIES of the IAAD it "might" be done. And I for one would pay 20 or 30 (maybe even more) bucks for such a Bible. Lets see if Jim and I both bought one..... Anyhow its not the worst idea I ever had. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 574 Thu Jun 06, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 22:25 EDT Last I heard, TOS 2 was up to rev. 2.07. I c an see why. TOS 2.05 is just chock full of neat new bugs. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 575 Thu Jun 06, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 23:21 EDT I have access to the complete source for the operating system. I'm not about to share it ;-) I'm sticking with 1.62 until they get the creepy crawlies smushed. That's what they make sockets for...updates. Too bad it's not Atari's operating system. But it'll do ;-) It's pretty easy to make your own BIOS listing, just get Doug's symbol table file, enhance it, and disassemble yourself into happiness. Jay, did Slavic get the TT driver done yet? ------------ | Category 75, Topic 10 Message 576 Tue Jun 11, 1991 HISOFT at 13:36 EDT J.CRASWELL I'm pretty sure all 32MHz TTs have a 68882, I know mine does. As far as I'm aware Motorola don't even have a 32MHz 68881. Alex Kiernan, HiSoft ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 577 Sun Jun 16, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 17:21 EDT Maybe I have a golden olde? But it is indeed a 68881. This seems to be VERY strange to me. -*******- Jim, Yes its uploaded but I've got to fix a few things. Tell me how it works and what we can do to make it better. -*******- TOS 2.07? Yipes! I had 2.02 (Tho I was calling it 2.20 Say why the hell does Atari have to invert the numbers? Do they have to switch everything around or what? 1.4 = 1.04 etc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 578 Mon Jun 17, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 18:44 EDT Funny, I thought it was TOS 0.14 ;-) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 579 Thu Jun 20, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 16:44 EDT Ack!! 0.014 Phht!!! 4.01 Gank! 001.010.00 Ack! fooie! ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 580 Sun Jun 23, 1991 C.WALTERS1 [Chet] at 20:08 EDT <RETURN>, <S>croll, < Q>uit ?Jay, you otta get that looked at. Hair ball or what??? ______Chet at \/\/iz\/\/orks! ;^{) ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 581 Wed Jun 26, 1991 DAVESMALL at 01:52 EDT Can you drag a file to the disk icon and have it work? I can't, with 2.02. I have to open the icon, then drag to the window. -- thanks, Dave / Gadgets ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 582 Wed Jul 03, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:09 EDT Well I'm not sure if I should blab this, but here it goes. The TT is alot closer to FCC B and has been completely SMD'd. Even the CPU is surface mounted, the only expansion mechanism is the VME slot and the fast ram board. But it sounds like they put a lot of recent effort into the machine, leading one to believe they actually intend to make and sell more of them. I was beginning to wonder ;-) Sounds like the floppy flakeyness and other hassles have been killed off. So the only way to put in a cache board is to replace the fram board with a combo unit. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 583 Wed Jul 03, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:10 EDT Oh, the MSTE has been SMD'd too, and the 68000 socket may have bitten the dust in the effort. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 584 Wed Jul 03, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:30 EDT And Jim's above post is a classic example of information covered under Atari's own non-disclosure agreement with all registered Atari developers. A leak out of this cat is a violation of that agreement!! ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 585 Wed Jul 03, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 13:00 EDT Exactly, so shhhh. The depressing thing is that one can't put a cache on "st ram" accesses because you can't interupt the normal access sequence. This is a severe limitation, they should have included a cache on the motherboard, it would have required only 4 chips. Or even a little connector for another daughterboard. The ball gets dropped again. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 586 Thu Jul 04, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 07:53 EDT I'm glad I haven't spent any effort on the TT & MSTe. This is exactly what I suspected would happen. Oh well, That just means that upgrades become tougher. Seems to me that Jim & I are going to be unsoldering a lot of CPU chips. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 1 0 Message 587 Thu Jul 04, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 13:35 EDT Problem on the TT is nobody makes a QFP socket that also surfacemounts, so retrofitting a socket into the TT...like MacIIcx users must do...just ain't gonna happen. I do have SMD PLCC sockets for retrofitting MSTEs. Oh well... ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 588 Fri Jul 05, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 06:58 EDT The 68030 is a QFP? Well, if it is, nobody says you have to use a QFP socket. Use something else & just mount a 68030 on your board. Or Talk to someplace like Emulation Technology that specializes in crazy adapters. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 589 Fri Jul 05, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 12:19 EDT NOBODY makes a .025 mil pitch adaptapation that can be used to assist in moving the 030 or connecting to it's footprint. They really should have put the thought into a PDS if they were going to SMD the CPU. The Mac IIfx is also a QFP, as are GVPs new accelerators. It's cheaper, and easier to doa pc for, but you need a PDS for the future. Sily Atari does it again. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 590 Fri Jul 05, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 19:14 EDT Jim, If I didn't KAB, I'd TTY were trying to MID for all of the ROU to understand WTH you're TA with all of the 3LA you're TAH. How about giving USI of what all of the 3LA stand for? <grin> John ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 591 Fri Jul 05, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 20:34 EDT Beats me what PDS means, but QFP is a Quad Flat Pack IC. SMD is Surface Mounted Device and GVP is a company that makes accelerators. Jim, several companies make QFP sockets that are surface mountable. SOme are even in the Newark Electronics catalog. They're not cheap though. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 592 Sat Jul 06, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 00:31 EDT PDS is a Processor Direct Slot...something a company with half a brain uses when it want's to Surface Mount components and still maintain expandability...like Apple, Sun, HP, etc... Sorry for the alphabet soup ;-) That's Hewlett Packard BTW...Oops...By The Way ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 593 Sat Jul 06, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:32 EDT John, remove your BS from here PDQ and ASAP. Only "techie" spoken here. Habla Usted Techie? Ok, Jim and George, let's see what we can do about extending the useful life of older Atari models. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 594 Sat Jul 06, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 03:41 EDT Oh my God that's funny, John. :):):) ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 595 Sat Jul 06, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 07:16 EDT I guess I have been working on Atari machines far too long. I knew what PDS meant at one time. In fact, the George bus on the Gadgets SST (I don't know what that stands for in this case so don't ask!) is a Processor Direct Slot. Norm, the SST is now in production. I consider that my contribution to extending the life of older Atari models. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 596 Mon Jul 08, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:54 EDT Excellent, George. Now, can you do something to extend the life of older Atari developers! :) ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 597 Mon Jul 08, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 04:46 EDT No he can't, but your neighbor...Morgan Fairchild...can ;-) Go for it Norm!!! ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 598 Wed Jul 10, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 01:00 EDT Hey, Jim, Katy Segal (sp?) of Married With Children lives only three doors from Morgan. Did you want a reservation at our Bed and Breakfast? ------------ Category 75, Topic 10 Message 599 Wed Jul 10, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 02: 54 EDT Only if the "daughter" is going to be home ;-) ------------ ************ Topic 11 Mon Aug 20, 1990 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] (Forwarded) Sub: IAAD Business I've been delegated the authority to set up a general meeting of the membership of the IAAD. Here's the place to discuss timing and agenda suggestions. 67 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 26 Mon Jun 10, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 19:15 EDT I have no objections. (ps: are American Indians considered foreigners? :-) While some may still take the stance that European developers don't need a support group as much as we (U.S.) do, I see no reason not to allow "Any Registered Atari Developer" into the IAAD as long as we (or at least the Board-Of-Directors) feels that that particular Dev is ...er ...what's the word I'm looking for here? "Un-Ralph-like" ? Is that a valid word? ps: Sorry, George. I did it again. Sheeeeesh ;-) Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 28 Tue Jun 11, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:35 EDT If the point of this group is to share expe riences and to thereby learn to be more successful in the Atari market, then why on Earth would you want to exclude Europeans? That's where most of the market exists. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 29 Tue Jun 11, 1991 K.SCHUMACHE1 at 03:15 EDT I agree (wholeheartedly and unralphishly) Kent R. Shumacher ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 30 Tue Jun 11, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 03:22 EDT I think that it would be extremely beneficial to have people with real insight and experience in European markets and trends, possibly their input could be one of the more valuable assets of the (International) AAD. Darren ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 31 Tue Jun 11, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 12:21 EDT The only hard part is them getting GEnie access...for less than a billion $ a month. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 32 Tue Jun 11, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 22:44 EDT I have no objections either. An influx of foreign IAAD members could certainly be helpful, especially for: 1) Getting a pulse on the foreign market 2) Looking for distributors 3) Help with translations We, of course, would be able to offer them the same kinds of services. It wouldn't hurt! John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 33 Tue Jun 11, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 23:14 EDT The largest problem will be their cost of accessing GEnie. In Germany for example, the telecommunications are a nightmare. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 35 Sun Jun 23, 1991 C.WALTERS1 [Chet] at 20:13 EDT Unralphish? Can we shor ten that to ralfless? And what's this denegrating of sewing machine programs. I done wrote one of them myself! ______Chet at \/\/iz\/\/orks! ;^{) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 36 Sun Jun 23, 1991 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 21:59 EDT Oh, Chet...I thought your program printed cross-stitch patterns...Does it operate the machine too? That's the kind of program I was referring to--an industrial application. ;-) Not to denegrate _your_ program of course. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 37 Mon Jun 24, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 10:54 EDT Of course. A CNC Sewing machine. <you becher lifesavers> ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 38 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 16:32 EDT I don't think we've ever formally stated this, but we will give a 40% discount on any of our products to IAAD members. (Please don't be mad at me, those that have paid full price in the past...how about a free T-shirt :^). Current versions and prices of our software as of 6/24/91 are: Retail IAAD price G+Plus 1.5 $34.95 $20.97 MultiDesk 2.2 29.95 17.97 CodeHead Utilities Release 4 34.95 20.97 HotWire 3.0 44.95 26.97 MaxiFile 3.0 44.95 26.97 HotWire Plus 69.95 41.97 (HotWire and MaxiFile in one package) LookIt & PopIt 1.2/1.1 39.95 23.97 CodeKeys 1.3 39.95 23.97 MIDIMAX 1.3 49.95 29.97 Shipping is $3 US, $4 Canada, and $6 elsewhere. We accept MasterCard, VISA, and American Express. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 39 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 17:41 EDT John, you forgot to include a "package" price for all items. Have you made all this stuff purrr on the TiTy yet? ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 40 Fri Jun 28, 1991 W.PARKS3 [Dr. Bob] at 20:33 EDT Aha! I gotcha! I didn't send off a check for the utilities disk yet. So now I get the discount. (thought you were gonna get me, eh ;) It's gonna be a big package- all those disks for updating too, whew. Bye: Dr. Bob ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 41 Fri Jun 28, 1991 J.TRAUTSCH OL [jtrautschold] at 21:10 EDT Hey...thanks John! Now about that T-shirt...um...I was just going to send in my $10 (plus p&h) for updating CodeHead Utilities...any chance of getting that T-shirt with the deal???? And, BTW...the same kind of deal goes for my two packages for any IAAD members, except I'm doing 50% off list. Here's what I've got: lottODDS.............. $17.50 list $34.95 Printer Initializer... 12.50 list $24.95 BOTH for.............. 25.00 list $59.90 Add just one (1) measly dollar for p&h. Thanks... John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 42 Fri Jun 28, 1991 MINDOVERMIDI at 21:39 EDT Heck, I'll pitch in too. SLAVE DRIVER version 2.0 .............. $125 list $299 Darren :) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 43 Fri Jun 28, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 22:16 EDT For those that missed it initially or maybe this is a "new" special price: Calamus ...US $100.00 Outline Art ... US $100.00 Font Editor... US $50.00 Guide to Calamus DTP...US $20.00 DynaCADD (ducking)...US $500.00 :-) IAAD members price only. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 44 Fri Jun 28, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 22 :48 EDT Nathan, what about the TT version of DynaCADD? George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 45 Sat Jun 29, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 01:28 EDT Nathan: Only $500 for DynaCADD? I'll take three. (Only kidding!) ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 46 Sat Jun 29, 1991 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 01:41 EDT What was that, Nathan? I could have sworn it said "US $20.00 DynaCADD". Boy, I thought DynaCADD was more expensive than that. BTW, there are HyperLINK specials for IAAD members too, though many of you have already taken advantage of such. Unless David disagrees, the price is $75 (a 50% discount). And lifetime free upgrades for IAAD members (and there are plenty of upgrades/additions planned for the near future, that's for sure). -- George. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 47 Sat Jun 29, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 11:17 EDT Jim, You're right...thanks. IAAD members can have a the entire catalog for $170. And yes, everything works purringly on the TT, with some special TT features in a few programs. The CodeHead RAM disk (CodeHead Utilities) can be installed in fast RAM. (MultiFile on the Utilities disk was frozen at version 1.2 when MaxiFile came out so it is not TT-compatible). John ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 48 Sun Jun 30, 1991 C.WALNUM1 [CLAY] at 02:17 EDT Heck, I don't suppose anyone here actually needs a book on C, but if you do, I'll sell C-MANSHIP COMPLETE with disk to IAAD members for $20 plus $3 P&H. (Normal price is $29.95.) ---Clay ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 49 Mon Jul 01, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 14:44 EDT DynaCADD TT or ST version of 2.0 remains US $995.00 retailGeorge. IAAD price US $500.00. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 50 Mon Jul 01, 1991 DAVESMALL at 21:29 EDT (What IS our official TT pronunciation? Tity? TeeHee? t-t-t-t-t? Just asking..) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 51 Mon Jul 01, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 22:11 EDT Dave, I've been calling it the "Ta Ta" ... as in "bye bye" ... as in "see ya!" - Charles ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 52 Mon Jul 01, 1991 G.RICHARDSO1 [George] at 22:14 EDT At some point in the near future you'll be hearing from me Nathan. DynaCADD is really a great CAD program. George Richardson Merlin Group, Inc. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 53 Tue Jul 02, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 01:16 EDT My hand keeps reaching for my checkbook. I have the willpower of a jellyfish in extreme duress. Calamus and Font Editor for $150 total? Sigh! How does one order one? (Paul Wu, give 'em a break on DEKA!) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 54 Tue Jul 02, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 09:18 EDT Thanks George. I appreciate the comment. By the way, the brains behind DynaCADD, in terms of actually programming and directing the other programmers, is David Fletcher and he is now officially a lurker in this cat. :-) Norm, keep the check, leave me email with MC or Visa and they will leave for you that same day. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 55 Tue Jul 02, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 13:35 EDT ....in extreme distress or ....under extreme duress ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 56 Tue Jul 02, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtr autschold] at 19:38 EDT Well, just to give a little plug to Nathan and ISD... Some months ago I purchased DynaCADD at the $500 IAAD price and let me tell you it was well worth it! Not that I have to tell any of you this, but it's certainly worth the money! If you need to do any CAD work at all, DynaCADD is the ticket and at $500, it's a steal! Now one of these days I'll need to pick up Calamus! John T. P.S. I suppose you wonder what I used DynaCADD for? Well, I needed to design a rather large deck for the backyard and decided to do it with DC. It came out beautifully (both the plans and the deck!) The building inspector was impressed as well...says he's used to seeing most plans scratched out on bar napkins! Next project will be some new office furniture (for the computers, printers, etc.) Store bought stuff is too expensive! Besides, a little furniture construction takes my mind off of coding! Also, need to redesign the living room some day (to keep the wife happy) and will use DC for that too! John or Charles... What did you say the IAAD price was on MultiDesk for IAAD members? $15.00? I, um, accidentally erased the message where you gave prices...oops, sorry! :-) And, about those t-shirts??? ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 57 Wed Jul 03, 1991 ISD [Nathan] at 10:32 EDT John, I have the deck but do I ever need new furniture for the computers. Please, please, please, send me the drawings when completed so I can get my significant other to build from them. Hehehehe Womans lib, don't you know. This IS the 90's and I don't feel even a tad emasculated. :-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 58 Wed Jul 03, 1991 ISD [ Nathan] at 10:33 EDT And thanks for your kind words John. I appreciate it. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 59 Wed Jul 03, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 13:01 EDT Yeah, but she'll build them from copper pipe and solder instead of wood ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 60 Thu Jul 04, 1991 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 12:10 EDT John T., We've offered 40% discount on everything. MultiDesk, $29.95 retail, $17.97 at 40% off. John ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 61 Fri Jul 05, 1991 J.TRAUTSCHOL [jtrautschold] at 21:41 EDT Nathan... You may have a deck, but I'll bet it isn't like this one! <proud grin>! It's a two level deck, top level being about 14' x 19', the lower level wraps around a couple of tree, has a curved 12' radius'd section, with stairs, railings, and all the rest. I think I hit around 6 or 7 layers with the drawing...ended up having to finish it on the Stacy since I ran out of ram on my stock 1040ST. You may have to wait awhile for the furniture. I'm working on a programming project right now and haven't the foggiest when I'll get it done. It's rather complicated... But rest assured that whenever I do get some furniture completed, I'll upload the drawings. Been struggling with ACAD at work this week (and well into the future too...we're working on a major systems upgrade at work...lots of new racks that need to be layed out and schematics to be drawn.) Needless to say, I wish we had Atari's at work that ran DynaCADD. You can even edit a stupid text line in ACAD release 10! You go to "change" the text, it displays it for you, but you can't edit it...you've got to retype the whole stinking line! ARGH!!!! $3000 worth of dog-poop...that's what ACAD is! ARGH!!!! :-) John E.... Thanks...sorry about losing the original post. I haven't purchased Multidesk yet mainly because DeskManager has worked so well for me in setting up various systems with combinations of DA's. However, I've heard some complaints that one of my program, a DA (Printer Initializer) doesn't work too well with MultiDesk. I figure it's time I checked it out to see what's going on. Thanks... John T. ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 62 Sat Jul 06, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 06:27 EDT As I have posted before, all IAAD members interested in a D.E.K.A. unit can order it directly from us for only $65. That is 50% off the retail price. Please mention that you are a IAAD member when you order. Visa/Master card is accepted and the call is also free 800-846-OMNI Paul Wu, OPI ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 63 Tue Jul 09, 1991 J.CRASWELL at 21:40 EDT Paul Wu, forgive me for asking (I am vegging out) can you tell us agian oops again about DEKA? Thanks! ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 64 Wed Jul 10, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 01:06 EDT Jay, DEKA is a hardware box for interfacing PC clone keyboards to the ST family. It works with XT,AT and PS/2 keyboards and also interfaces the mouse and joystick (you can remove the Atari keyboard entirely). It is all in hardware, so no software driver is necessary, which means it works with GCR and other emulators. It has been checked on all models of ST, STe and TT. Norm, owner of seven PC keyboards (and a finger on each hand for each of them!) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 65 Wed Jul 10, 1991 J.ALLEN27 at 02:55 EDT Sevn fingered Norm, from Vegas ;-) ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 66 Wed Jul 10, 1991 WUZTEK.OPI [Paul Wu] at 06:52 EDT Norm, Hmm...and a finger on each hand for each of them.... Do you have seven hands Norm? Seven handed Norm, you almost qualify for an Octopus. :^) Together with my collection of keyboard, you and I can open a keyboard museum. Paul Wu ------------ Category 75, Topic 11 Message 67 Fri Jul 12, 1991 N.WEINRESS at 00:50 EDT Paul, if you don't get busy and sell some DEKA's, we'll have a keyboard morgue...not a museum! :)) Yeah, Jim, when I give someone the finger...I _really_ give them the finfinger! ------------ ************ Topic 12 Fri Nov 23, 1990 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] (Forwarded) Sub: Derailing... Switching tracks? Training in on the PC/Mac/NeXt? Here's the place to share insights, resources, headaches. 227 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 75, Topic 12 Message 223 Sun Jun 30, 1991 T.GILL7 [GILLT] at 13:11 EDT I need to port some programs from RTX for MS-DOS and am looking for a multitasking library which is most compatible with the RTX calls. I just received fast fax info on three possibilities. Can anyone recommend one over the other or perhaps suggest another candidate? TimeSlicer from Lifeboat Interwork from Black Island Technologies MultiDos Plus from Nanosoft (looks least attractive) David, any experience here or any contacts I could talk to? Thanks, Tyson. ------------ Category 75, Topic 12 Message 224 Wed Jul 03, 1991 D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 03:46 EDT Tyson, unfortunately, you woun't find anything as nioce as RTX for the PC :-) There are so many darned multitasking kernels for available for IBM-PC systems that I have no idea which onmes are best. There are ju st too many to keep track of. I am somewhat more familiar with the MC680x0 kernels available. Unofficially, I have toyed with the idea of a PC RTX, but have rejected it due to the vast number of RT kernels already available for the PC. Would you be interested in a PC RTX? My plan was to sell it with binary run-time for around $500 and with source for something like $1500. - David ------------ Category 75, Topic 12 Message 225 Wed Jul 03, 1991 T.GILL7 [GILLT] at 23:21 EDT David, I would be interested in PC RTX by virtue of portability alone. Is it real or a figment of your unrealized ambitions <grin>? If actually working, has it been tested? Is it 100% compatible with the Atari version? How does it handle 386 memory management? Is the binary Turbo C compatible? What memory models does it support? You joked that I won't find a competing product as nice, but can you seriously justify that claim? Lots of questions, huh? There is so much more to worry about under MS-DOS... However, if it really exists and really really works, yes, you might have a customer. I must have confidence that it won't crash since the system would be controlling high temperature reactors and safety is a big issue in addition to lost time/money. If the system worked, you might have systems installed at ICI sights worldwide before too many years. (see I have my figments too!) Thanks, Tyson. p.s. John Spande has been wrestling to expand the multitasking file server I contracted for him. I appreciate all the help you have given him with his questions. You have gotten me off the hook several times since I can't really even remember what I did anymore! Thanks much. ------------ Category 75, Topic 12 Message 226 Fri Jul 05, 1991 D.BECKEMEYER [David @ BDT] at 16:45 EDT Tyson, PC RTX is not exactly a figment, but it isn't a full-fledged product yet either. Yes there are a lot of things to worry about under MS-DOS and even more so due to the IBM-PC hardware. The biggest consideration is the infamous "memory" issue. I always laugh when PC types brag about how far ahead their PC compilers are, yet these same compilers have chapters and chapters on the subject of memory, whereas that's a complete non-issue for other platforms. My comments about not finding anything as nice as RTX on the PC was jokingly based on the fact that you probably won't find anything as clean and simple as RTX on the PC due to the lame PC hardware design. Anyway, PC RTX is not a fully tested final product. ST RTX is very stable, has been for years. I have customers running it on critical control systems 365 days a year 24hrs a day. But it took a while to get to that point and I would estimate that it would be nine months or so before PC RTX would approach the same level of stability. The PC RTX bina ry is very similar to the ST RTX binary. It's a TSR which then uses "language bindings" to interface to the application. Currently there are bindings for MSC 5.1/6.0, Turbo C, and Borland C++ V2.0. - David ------------

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